[GI Runs]

I custom make my own hunting rifles. right now, I am reloading for 15 different Calibers with my favorite being my 35 Whelen and 35 Whelen improved..The crying shame is, I have not hunted most of my life. I will go again but it has been nearly 45 years since I last went. I have been watching hunting shows on TV lately hoping they would explain and film how to properly field dress a deer..and how to take out the buck's musk glands without ruining the meat. All I get to see is someone being filmed breathing like a school boy trying to have sex for the first time and then the deer being shot. Thats it! I mean Damn, what about all the knowledge you need AFTER you shoot the deer. Field Dressing, temperature Control, butchering, etc..Never does a hunting show what is supposed to take place after a 10 year old pulls the trigger for his first kill...What is wrong with these producers?

 

[Billofthenorth2]

You got that right, some overweight joker that needs to take a rest after climbing out of his blind on a canned hunt. The camera jerking all over the place as the shot goes off because the operator doesn't know how to use a tripod so you don't even get to see the shot. The guy talking about how great it was, how wonderful the guide/lodge/salesman/sponsor or product is and prattling on like a network anchor (they don't know when to shutup either) how great the buck/boar/emu/jackalope is, always a huge trophy that we never ever see in real life in the field. Then endless slo-mo replays of the jerky footage, then commercial for the sponsor than back to the show and another repeat of the above for a different animal. No real substance at all.
Yeah, I wanna see the guts too! Let's see them make sausage.

 

[GI Runs]

Thanks Billofthenorth! I thought that I was the only one wanting to see more than just the animal getting KILT!

 

[BetaDeltaKA]

Youtube...its not just for videos of monkeys throwing poo anymore (rest assured, it still does have an expansive selection of monkey poo vids)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKm42ql7NSw
or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfrvMjWNwj8&feature=related
and finally for full on processing after you've dressed and skinned the deer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKdKI4x0_fk&feature=related

 

[Wynn]

I quit watching hunting shows years ago. They are as phony as any soap opera on TV and as you said, offer no help for a novice looking to learn. Their intent is sell products and thats it.

 

[Billofthenorth2]

Most of us don't have the option to hunt on huge tracts of land where we can pick or choose a blind site based on the habits of the game but I would rather see that discussed and the reasons for it and maybe the construction and blending of the blind than to see the guy just settle into a permanent blind and start talking about crap I could care less about as he sits there bored.
I want a lesson with each show, work it in. Tell me something about tracking, flora, or field craft or living in the field or even something I could do to stay alive even though it might not be legal on the hunt.
How about flint knapping on a bow hunting show or a discussion of atlatls even though you can't hunt with spears. Some lore and ethics of the native peoples. Animal habits, different terrain and tips on moving and hunting there. The larger picture, get out a topo map and tell me about the area around the blind not just the immediate locale, how do those hills or swamps or farm fields 5 miles away effect the weather and the animals. What can I learn from the map that will help me in the field?
What if I don't use scents and calls and lures and baits or even blinds and stands?
Most of the shows on now are just about lazy, even slob hunters.

Hunting isn't about just killing something, it's about the land and nature and ancient skills and knowledge.

 

[GI Runs]

Billof the north; Sounds like you could put together a fine show..

 

[Rex in OTZ]

Try your state's extension service.

I would recomend trying your states extension service,or the state game & fish office usally have video's , Alaska's are in the process of coming out with DVD's of old VHS releases.
Alaskas has a new one in the works for Caribou/Raindeer it still a year from completion, when done should be pretty straight forward from the time the deer hits the ground what to do from there on out, covering field dressing thru butchering (Uses a professional Finnish Raindeer Butcher) I was in on the Kotzebue portion (Health Service/Dept of subsistance)hosted a work shop featuring some the material that would be edited for content and time for the coming vid.
Might wanna PM "Caribou" on this too. he should be able to help in the field craft & lore area.
as far as the T.V. Shows they leave allot to be desired. I see the terget audience they are catering to, to me it is a long way from being satisfying, I do like some the Fur Fish & Game video's of the early 1990's of trapping & skinning & fur handling by Tom Maranda & Bob Gilsvik they jump around to different locations and different trapper temperment & styles but not that bad.

 

[Billofthenorth2]

Billof the north; Sounds like you could put together a fine show..

We just need a host and someone that knows how to do that stuff, lol.

 

[Caribou]

Good idea.

I busted my camera, but I have to get another!!!!........yaaaaaa, we just need a host....maby a South African accented Elephant hunter with some Cool dialoge.....as we stalk Peruvian Boob Carew with 1870s area BP long arms, wearing silly hats...

From waking up , to shooting to cleaning up the mess....but maby the audience only wants old people doing things.....~LOL!~ were too young to be interesting.

The wife has quite a rough draft Caribou book put together, maby 500 pictures, she just wants to find a publisher and git 'er done. How to save and utilize an entire Caribou..... I should let you pre-edit, eh, Rex? hahahahha I bet we'd have hours of laughs. Last we stopped in, I got a good Fish book there by Anor Jones....Extreamly good!.

~LOL!~
but I'll save my mug for home and film others.....you have your camera man.

 

[Caribou]

~LOL!~

Just got a new Digital Camera this evening, what a coincidence,....I need to shoot something!!! No, wait......Guess I have to charge the batteries sommore....


Billofthenorth2, get out your script!!

Rex, hook up a light!!!

Falm16, this is a "take'!

Nobel sniper, tell the animals were ready to shoot!

We need coffee...wheres the coffee boy??!!

 

[Buckshooter]

Sometimes Ted Nugent will show you how to gut something. Some of the shows I used to watch were so corny even my sons, who were just kids at the time would pick up on the phoniness. My younger son said, "Why is that guy looking for his deer when the camera man already knows where it is because he is going to film the shooter looking for it and then film him walking up to it while the cameraman is standing on the other side of the deer watching the host looking for the deer. " My other son asked, "Daddy, why do they always clean the blood off the deer. Do they give it a bath before they put it on tv?" Ireally love the shows that break for an ad to sell their wares and then return to show at least ten minutes of footage seen before the ad came on. I timeed a show like this. Eleven minutes of actual footage which includes the hunter and acamera man whispering back and forth to each other, squirrels playing on the ground, a couple of does and then a shot of the buck. Right when the guy goes to pull the trigger they go to an ad. They return and here we are back at the whispering part, waiting for the squirrels to get through agai, waiting for the does to go by again, and then they get to the shot and in less than a minute after the heavy lustful breathing is over and the loud laughs they finally get top the buck, hold his head up, talk about G2's etc, what great hunters they are and then they begin whispering again. I like Benny Hill better than this.

 

[GI Runs]

The sportsman show will be in Seattle around Jan or Feb. I will try to book a moose hunt in Alaska and fish during the hunt also.. Anyway, I plan to bring my 35 whelen (improved) using sierra Game King 225 grain bullets.. If this is the wrong choice, please..please let me know as I have about 10 other calibers to choose from...I am planning this hunting/fishing trip for sometime next year...Perhaps the Governor of Alaska would give me a few tips....

 

[Caribou]

Bring what you can hit with.
Im not into overkill, but if your gonna bring a big gun you cant kill them too dead.
.243Win kills Moose with no problem at all.
.30-06 Kills everything.
Bigger? Go for it.

I hunt with two rifles along, though I only carry one. Bringing a spare rifle can save you alot of greif in Bush Alaska.

Bring your camera, for sure and some back up on that, so you can post here!!!


Sara Palin gutted out taxes on Oil company Profits, so I think she could probly gut the Moose faster than she could explain it....~LOL!~

 

[GI Runs]

Thanks for your reply Caribou... My 35 whelen may not be as big as you think! I make my shells from 30.06 cases and merely neck them up from 30 caliber to 35 caliber..This is NOT a magnum round..Just a 30.06 necked up with some improvement in knock down power but the trade off is a loss of shooting distance..The Gun is highly accurate up to 250 yards..After that, the heavy bullet starts dropping fast...At two hundred yards, I have shot
five round groups (using a bench and sandbags less than 2inch groups) and would have done better if my sight picture was not jumping around because of my heartbeat...yup, at 9 power my heart beat is transfered into from my hands and cheek to my sight picture.. So I shoot just after I see the beat...I wonder if others have this problem also and what they do about it...

 

[Squib]

Heart Beat at 9X

Hello all,

I had the same problem with heartbeats transferring to the cross hairs. I was able to control it by practicing my breathing and grip. I've also been to the doctor and he told me my heart rate was a little high for a geezer my age so he gave me something to slow it down. Now I shoot pretty good.

I like the way Caribou has a practical answer for practical situations. He's right about a .243 being capable of taking moose.Many folks here in Arizona take elk with them. I don't recommend a light bullet like a 243 but you can't argue with the guys who take home the meat.

My long time friend used a 300 Savage for many years and took 63 elk during his career. BUT, here is something to think about. Even a WizzBang magnum will do you no good, even at 75 yds, if you don't place the bullet in the right spot. A gut shot or ass shot moose won't go down with any hunting cartridge or premium bullet. You'll hear a humongus "thwap" as the bullet connects with flesh, but the critter will run for a long ways and die later that night. Better to use a rifle you can shoot well and get close enough that you can put the shot in the right place. The moose, elk or buck will go down. Take a look at some of the photos of successful hunters and note the location of the bullet strike if it is visible. Chest shots are effective with most any caliber rifle.

This same friend has a brother that put five BAD shots in a spike elk with a 300 Wby Mag. Yes, five. The first shot was at about 500 yds. That little elk was hurting no doubt but it ran a long way and got stuck trying to cross a barb wire fence. He finished it with his pistol......because he got close and couldn't miss while it was stuck in the fence. Those long shots with a powerful rifle didn't do what he expected because none of the shots were immediately lethal. If one shot had hit the chest it would have been over right there at the far side of the meadow, instead of half mile away piled up in a tangle of wire.

Cheers,

squib

 

[GI Runs]

Squib; Thanks for the reply..When I am on the range, I feel I have made a bad shot if I am 2 to 3 inches off at 200 yards..I doubt I would ever try to take any large animal with a 24 caliber or shoot anything at 500 yards..First, I don't want to walk 500 yards then butcher and pack the animal back that far. second, I have never fired at a gun club that had any targets farther than 300 yards and those target looked plenty enough far away...thirdly, I can't hold my rifle still enough (heartbeat) in the field to shoot that far calculating the drop and windage..Just too darn far for me..the farthest I will shoot is 200 to 250 yards for a sure one shot kill! I am a firm believer in 35 calibers or even my 338 06.. I shoot a sierra Game king 225grain 35 caliber bullet a little over 2800 ft per second.. That creates a lot of knockdown power.. I have not hunted in a LOOONG time but have spent 60+ years reloading and shooting..bullet placement is everything when you want to kill something, just ask the man that hunted elephants with a 6.5 X 55 swede! I think he killed in his lifetime close to 1000 of em..But that is NOT me. I will take only a sure killing shot at the distance I normally shoot. I will use a bullet big enough for the animal with power to not only kill but knock the animal down where it stands..No disrespect to 243 cal hunters shooting elk or moose, just don't think you can take that same gun big bear hunting without acknowledging the fact you may get eaten!

 

[Rex in OTZ]

Hunting shows are just the video act of killing
Im interested in the hunting methods, one of which they were talking about the weather and how low and high pressure fronts moving thru a area affect animals feeding and movement, how a High pressure front, animals are more prone to moving about now thats interesting! the elders here will shoot a Caribou and they split them just above the diaphram basicly splitting the deer in half and the internal organs are removed the guts are all in a nice tidy bag as Carobou could better explain. Winter hunting alaska style is defanitely different, you dont want to be fooling round out on the tundra when its -10 and your 15miles from home and its getting dark, roll the deer in the sled and make tracks for home.

I like the book "The Perfict Storm" in it they go into detail the methods they use for fishing for Swardfish. (water temps, currents, weather fronts)

 

[Bavarian]

I agree. Hunting means you go HUNT! These guys just sit in a blind and kill something. Tracking and other woods lore is very important to me.

 

[HerrMesser]

I agree. Hunting means you go HUNT! These guys just sit in a blind and kill something. Tracking and other woods lore is very important to me.

Hunting can also mean sitting in a blind as some people are not able to walk around.

I do agree that the biggest majority of the so called hunting shows are staged.

Rad