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Has Florida Outlawed Well Regulated Militias?

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Has Florida Outlawed Well Regulated Militias?http://bulletsfirst.net/2014/11/22/florida-outlawed-well-regulated-militias/

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790.29 Paramilitary training; teaching or participation prohibited.—
(1) This act shall be known and may be cited as the “State Anti-paramilitary Training Act.”
(2) As used in this section, the term “civil disorder” means a public disturbance involving acts of violence by an assemblage of three or more persons, which disturbance causes an immediate danger of, or results in, damage or injury to the property or person of any other individual within the United States.
(3)(a) Whoever teaches or demonstrates to any other person the use, application, or making of any firearm, destructive device, or technique capable of causing injury or death to persons, knowing or having reason to know or intending that the same will be unlawfully employed for use in, or in furtherance of, a civil disorder within the United States, is guilty of a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
(b) Whoever assembles with one or more persons for the purpose of training with, practicing with, or being instructed in the use of any firearm, destructive device, or technique capable of causing injury or death to persons,

intending to unlawfully employ the same for use in, or in furtherance of, a civil disorder within the United States, is guilty of a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
(4) Nothing contained in this section shall be construed to prohibit any act of a law enforcement officer which is performed in connection with the lawful performance of his or her official duties or to prohibit the training or teaching of the use of weapons to be used for hunting, recreation, competition, self-defense or the protection of one’s person or property, or other lawful use.
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While this statute may have been written with the best of intentions aimed at home grown terrorists, yet as we all know, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. The reality is that the statute is written in such a way that anyone who teaches 2 or more people how to shoot a firearm or how to do hand to hand self defense could be guilty of leading a militia.

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*Rather alarming on face value. As much as the "anti's" want to make of the "Well regulated militia" argument, this totally flies in the face of that portion of 2A.
No word as to any court challenge but a statute such as this just screams unconstitutional.
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David Murvihill
"intending to unlawfully employ the same for use in, or in furtherance of, a civil disorder within the United States, is guilty of a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084."

The way I read it this is the meat of the law. The legitimate militias I've heard of were formed to help maintain order in the US, not further disorder.
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daveccarlson
http://www.salon.com/2008/01/14/cuba_2/
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jjk308 In Memoriam RIP
(4) Nothing contained in this section shall be construed to prohibit any act of a law enforcement officer which is performed in connection with the lawful performance of his or her official duties or to prohibit the training or teaching of the use of weapons to be used for hunting, recreation, competition, self-defense or the protection of one’s person or property, or other lawful use.

Training for "civil disorder" is illegal. Training for self defense, etc... is not just legal but a protected civil right.
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If you are a member of a re enactment group they could prosecute you as a criminal!
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Any activities that are criminalized by this statute are likely already a violation of 18 USC 2383

"Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States."

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John Sukey SEZ: "If you are a member of a re enactment group they could prosecute you as a criminal!

Not if they were only reenacting rebellion, insurrection, riots or the giving aid or comfort thereto.


Carry On!
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GWR said:
John Sukey SEZ: "If you are a member of a re enactment group they could prosecute you as a criminal!

Not if they were only reenacting rebellion, insurrection, riots or the giving aid or comfort thereto.
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I agree with John...

If you really think our current bunch of politicians won't use laws such as this to take guns away from American Citizens, I have a bridge for sale in Brooklyn that you may be interested in buying...
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jjk308 In Memoriam RIP
tojak said:
I agree with John...

If you really think our current bunch of politicians won't use laws such as this to take guns away from American Citizens, I have a bridge for sale in Brooklyn that you may be interested in buying...
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Not this one they wont. Conservative tea party Republicans have complete control of the FL legislature. Possibly they were concerned over reports of radical Islamic groups in other states running "training camps" with paramilitary exercises.

I also suspect it'd be almost impossible to have a successful prosecution under this law without inside informants and recordings.
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Ivan Ivanovich
"I also suspect it'd be almost impossible to have a successful prosecution under this law without inside informants and recordings. "
Or perhaps an agent provocateur ?

The loud mouth guy who is always talking about cover ups, conspiracies , black helicopters and the need to "resist" might just be there for a reason.
These are troubling times. If a law could possibly be misused or misinterpreted it will be.
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Clyde
Ivan Ivanovich said:
"I also suspect it'd be almost impossible to have a successful prosecution under this law without inside informants and recordings. "
Or perhaps an agent provocateur ?

The loud mouth guy who is always talking about cover ups, conspiracies , black helicopters and the need to "resist" might just be there for a reason.
These are troubling times. If a law could possibly be misused or misinterpreted it will be.
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As the Alien & Sedition Acts were? Those passed in troubling times as well...
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Sounds to me the government fear of the people has grown to epic levels. Usually such fears (and the actions taken) actually cause rebellion.
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jjk308 In Memoriam RIP
In the case of the law in question the ATF, FBI, DEA and FDLE agent provocateurs would all be trying to arrest each other.
Florida was a hot spot for Islamic extremists at one but since that one character was kicked out of the USA I haven't heard a peep about them. Ditto any other extremist paramilitary groups.
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AZshooter
My Dad recently relocated to Floriduh & said that in his immediate area there are more gun shops than churches. He also mentioned that apparently most of the dumbest people in America live in there and are busy shooting each other.

With the legion of stupid already on the loose, Feebs will have a grande task of chasing them all down - Imagine some dumb city cat dumped into the henhouse - too many choices to determine what to catch first.
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SfcRet
looks as the wannabe fantasy camps will have to stop fleecing suckers in florida
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jjk308 In Memoriam RIP
SfcRet said:
looks as the wannabe fantasy camps will have to stop fleecing suckers in florida
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Nope. Obama wants us all to have fun. :laugh:

And BTW Floriduh has possibly the worst demographics in the USA, with large high crime rate ethnic groups including dispossessed blacks kicked to the bottom of the economic pile, the legal and illegal immigrants who displaced them, and native crackers. Plus there's a big batch of easy victims: feeble old folks and tourists ready to be fleeced. And a long tradition of violent drug smuggling.

But its murder and violent crime rate are only slightly above average, and have been since the "shall issue" concealed carry law went into effect.
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