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Something for collectors to worry about. How much is your collection worth when almost no one is allowed to own firearms???

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I'm of the opposite opinion if the politics discussed directly affect our firearms collecting. Laws, campaigns and specific issues all bear on us and I have no trouble with gentlemanly discussion or comments.
If stamp collectors had major campaigns to ban stamps, chances are their forums would talk about it. If rodeo riders were facing rodeo bans, they'd talk. When gun bans are proposed, collectors should be free to voice their thoughts in their forums.
I live (like many of us now do) in a state where politics have taken away our right to own a great deal of collectible firearms.
Pointless ranting against one side or the other does no good here, but giving voice to specific writings, laws or issues is important in my opinion. We don't all have to agree on everything.
The above referenced writings are going to be heard and quoted by a lot of anti-gun politicians and we might wish to be aware of them.

QUOTE=SA1911a1;2957042]Politics don't add value to a collector's forum and causes strife; something we have enough of already.[/QUOTE]
 

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He's a moron. He argues that the 2nd Amendment doesn't mean what it said.

Well, the committee that wrote the first versions deliberately tabled a state militia only version, written by Sherman of CT, and put in the peoples RKBA. That right was based on the English Bill of Rights and on Blackstone, who wrote it was: "a public allowance, under due restrictions, of the natural right of resistance and self-preservation, when the sanctions of society and laws are found insufficient to restrain the violence of oppression.” The US Constitution expanded on those rights by eliminating the "public allowance" part, the federal government being highly restricted from exercising any infringements of rights.

So then Stevens backs off and says maybe we need a revision to the Constitution to fix it and get rid of the RKBA? Under both arguments he just accepts the specious arguments of the gun controllers, ignores the facts that its never worked, and decides that we must suppress guns at any cost. He's either getting dotty, or a really bad lawyer, or both, because his erratic and poorly set out argument has nothing to do with the Constitution or with any other law, or the facts, but just his firearms phobia.
 

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He's a moron. He argues that the 2nd Amendment doesn't mean what it said.

Well, the committee that wrote the first versions deliberately tabled a state militia only version, written by Sherman of CT, and put in the peoples RKBA. That right was based on the English Bill of Rights and on Blackstone, who wrote it was: "a public allowance, under due restrictions, of the natural right of resistance and self-preservation, when the sanctions of society and laws are found insufficient to restrain the violence of oppression.” The US Constitution expanded on those rights by eliminating the "public allowance" part, the federal government being highly restricted from exercising any infringements of rights.

So then Stevens backs off and says maybe we need a revision to the Constitution to fix it and get rid of the RKBA? Under both arguments he just accepts the specious arguments of the gun controllers, ignores the facts that its never worked, and decides that we must suppress guns at any cost. He's either getting dotty, or a really bad lawyer, or both, because his erratic and poorly set out argument has nothing to do with the Constitution or with any other law, or the facts, but just his firearms phobia.
Three things about Stevens:

1) he WAS a pretty decent attorney, but always (like a lot of appointees) rather ideologically driven;

2. he is getting dotty, senility setting in, which tends to make him more rigid in his early ideological propensities;

3. curst good thing he is off the Court.
 

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They really are scratching the bottom. To me that's great!

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Former Justice Stevens has always hated guns. Clyde is spot on in his assessment.


"Politics don't add value to a collector's forum and causes strife; something we have enough of already. " sa1911a1

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot ?!?

This section is for political discussion regarding gun control and our Second Amendment rights. That is EXACTLY what this particular forum is for.
Gun owners of all sorts need to be aware of what the anti Second Amendment crowd is up to need to get involved. No matter what kind of gun owner you are. Collector, target shooter, hunter, or someone who keeps weapons for the reason of the Second Amendment.
If you own firearms you are a enemy of the anti Liberty forces.
Some of us are a bit higher on the list of enemies than others. The typical hunter who owns a shotgun or a collector of antiques(pre cartridge) are not as hated by the hoplophobes as the Defensive Carry owner or the Class 3 enthusiast. But they are still viewed with suspicion by the gun grabbers.

Perhaps sa1911a1 should sell his guns and collect something that is not political like Beanie Babies. Or maybe just ignore this forum and stick to the "collectors" forums.
 

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Former Justice Stevens has always hated guns. Clyde is spot on in his assessment.


"Politics don't add value to a collector's forum and causes strife; something we have enough of already. " sa1911a1

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot ?!?

This section is for political discussion regarding gun control and our Second Amendment rights. That is EXACTLY what this particular forum is for.
Gun owners of all sorts need to be aware of what the anti Second Amendment crowd is up to need to get involved. No matter what kind of gun owner you are. Collector, target shooter, hunter, or someone who keeps weapons for the reason of the Second Amendment.
If you own firearms you are a enemy of the anti Liberty forces.
Some of us are a bit higher on the list of enemies than others. The typical hunter who owns a shotgun or a collector of antiques(pre cartridge) are not as hated by the hoplophobes as the Defensive Carry owner or the Class 3 enthusiast. But they are still viewed with suspicion by the gun grabbers.

Perhaps sa1911a1 should sell his guns and collect something that is not political like Beanie Babies. Or maybe just ignore this forum and stick to the "collectors" forums.
Ivan, this thread was moved to the RKBA forum from the Collector's forum by a moderator. sa1911a1's comment was made before that move.
 
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