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Thanks to our friend and fellow boardmember Diaofushi, I have bee gathering up quite a few relic grenades. The last two that I got, are not like the others. I believe that they may have the type that may have been slung with a rope, but I am not really sure. Note that there are no screw holes to attach to a stick and that the groove on the bottom are both different. The one that screws to the stick is hollow on top and the grenade side walls are thicker than the others.