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Keep supporting Ron Paul and you'll split the conservative vote enough to insure that Hillary will get her smackin' chance.
 

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Keep supporting Ron Paul and you'll split the conservative vote enough to insure that Hillary will get her smackin' chance.
He's the only guy that can beat her. A pro-war Republican will look like a hawk compared to her. It has to be someone who is against the war. Sorry, no President ever has ran on a platform of "WAR WAR WAR, BOMB BOMB BOMB!" and won.
 

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Polls right now show that Hillary can beat ANY of the Republicians running. She has the backing of the unions, the Israeli lobby most likely, the black vote, the gay vote, just about any organized voting blocks for that matter.

What do the Republicans have to counter? Just the big box church voting block which is splitting and the Gun owners block. What does Ron Paul have to offer the great unwashed masses that would turn them out to vote? It only would take one good terriorist act to kill his "leave Iraq" policy in the dust.

All the Republican canidates have issues that Hillary can play upon. Even Huckabee has a hard time with the question of "why does a christian minister want war?" Hillarys issues are old news but what comes up in the election will be new fresh news against the Republicans.

It don't look good to me........
 

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Polls right now show that Hillary can beat ANY of the Republicians running. She has the backing of the unions, the Israeli lobby, the black vote, the gay vote, just about any organized voting blocks for that matter.

What do the Republicans have to counter? Just the big box church voting block which is splitting and the Gun owners block. What does Ron Paul have to offer the great unwashed masses that would turn them out to vote? It only would take one good terriorist act to kill his "leave Iraq" policy in the dust.

All the Republican canidates have issues that Hillary can play upon. Even Huckabee has a hard time with the question of "why does a christian minister want war." Hillarys issues are old news but what comes up in the election will be new fresh news against the Republicans.

It don't look good to me........
In a Paul vs Hillary scenario he would be the one who is clearly against the war. Clinton is not against it, which is why she voted for it. She critizes the President to please her base but she really is a hawk.
The American people are sick and tired of this war and of big government.
The Republicans need to go back to their limited-government philosophy in order to win.

We also need to stop assuming she is the nominee. There is a lot of time between now and primary day.
 

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Hillary has perfected the art of telling the people what they want to hear so they will vote for her. People want to hear that we will win the war AND end the war which is her message. Look at George Bush. He says he is a great follower of Jesus Christ AND he invades countries and starts wars. He lowers taxes AND increases spending and people think that is great. People fall for this. They fall whatever drivel comes out of past canidates mouths every time, over and over. They WANT to hear that the dollar will recover, peace will come, and all that stuff. They will not vote for the truth, the masses will vote for what makes them feel good.

Ron Paul is blunt. His message is not a happy one. People don't want to hear that stuff or take full responsibilty for their lives. They elect political types to do that for them.
 

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Hillary has perfected the art of telling the people what they want to hear so they will vote for her. People want to hear that we will win the war AND end the war which is her message. Look at George Bush. He says he is a great follower of Jesus Christ AND he invades countries and starts wars. He lowers taxes AND increases spending and people think that is great. People fall for this. They fall whatever drivel comes out of past canidates mouths every time, over and over. They WANT to hear that the dollar will recover, peace will come, and all that stuff. They will not vote for the truth, the masses will vote for what makes them feel good.

Ron Paul is blunt. His message is not a happy one. People don't want to hear that stuff or take full responsibilty for their lives. They elect political types to do that for them.
I think people would like the idea of freedom vs tyranny. Paul's message isn't negative, in fact we continue down this path we have taken the consequences will be so severe and detrimental it will test the strength of the country and could bring about its destruction.
 

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Critical Thinker,Think about this for a minute or two.

As A Race--That is the Human Race -- We all want war ! I know that even You cannot pass a wreck on the interstate without slowing down to get a better look !

We ALL at our core-that "bad" place pacifist claim not to have ,but have to go visit people like me for.We All Thrive on controversy.BEFORE you react ask yourself why in the hell you are on GB ? ! YOU as well as the rest of the human race dwell on/thrive on conflict.Without it there would be No Peace!


Just look at the video games you play !

Think About It !!!!!!!!
 

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Critical Thinker,Think about this for a minute or two.

As A Race--That is the Human Race -- We all want war ! I know that even You cannot pass a wreck on the interstate without slowing down to get a better look !

We ALL at our core-that "bad" place pacifist claim not to have ,but have to go visit people like me for.We All Thrive on controversy.BEFORE you react ask yourself why in the hell you are on GB ? ! YOU as well as the rest of the human race dwell on/thrive on conflict.Without it there would be No Peace!


Just look at the video games you play !

Think About It !!!!!!!!
I understand that, human nature is violent. Which really shows what beasts we really are and how we are not too different from the animals we claim to be superior to.

That being said, the American public will always vote for the perceived candidate for peace. Just look at the Johnson vs Goldwater election. Goldwater wasn't going to bomb anyone but his rhetoric was turned around to make it sound like it was. Who knows, if Goldwater was elected we might not have put combat troops in Vietnam in the numbers that we did.

But look at our religions. I assume most of us are Christians. Christianity is a religion of peace. We are told to treat others as we would like to be treated and turn the other cheek. However we do end up in conflict so we created guidelines to follow in the event we had to go to war. It is called the Christian Just War theory and it is as follows(in brief):
Just cause
The reason for going to war needs to be just and can therefore be recapturing things taken or punishing people who have done wrong. A contemporary view of just cause was expressed in 1993 when the US Catholic Conference said: "Force may be used only to correct a grave, public evil, i.e., aggression or massive violation of the basic human rights of whole populations."
Comparative justice
While there may be rights and wrongs on all sides of a conflict, to override the presumption against the use of force, the injustice suffered by one party must significantly outweigh that suffered by the other. Theorists such as Brian Orend omit this term, seeing it as fertile ground for exploitation by bellicose regimes.
Legitimate authority
Only duly constituted public authorities may use deadly force or wage war
Right intention
Force may be used only in a truly just cause and solely for that purpose—correcting a suffered wrong is considered a right intention, while material gain or maintaining economies is not.
Probability of success
Arms may not be used in a futile cause or in a case where disproportionate measures are required to achieve success;
Last resort
Force may be used only after all peaceful and viable alternatives have been seriously tried and exhausted.

We have abandoned that Just War theory in favor or the doctrine of tyrants and rogue regimes; the preemptive strike.

We cannot continue down this course, it only leads to disaster.

We need Ron Paul to be our next President to bring us back to our senses about the role of government in our lives and foreign policy.
 

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People will vote for whatever they think is in their personal best interests. They will not vote against war unless it affects them. If there was a draft, or a war tax, rations, or anything that required effort on their part, then Ron Paul would have a good chance.

Right now it is just some distant thing that affects people they don't know. We are holding back Oceania and nobody cares that future generations have to pay for this. Perhaps the younger generations think of the future and the older folks only think of the present. Human nature.

War must be natural, kind of how nature controls excess population. You can't blame Bush either, the first time maybe, but the second time the voters knew well what they were voting for.

Geez I am getting bitter in my old age!
 

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He's the only guy that can beat her. A pro-war Republican will look like a hawk compared to her. It has to be someone who is against the war. Sorry, no President ever has ran on a platform of "WAR WAR WAR, BOMB BOMB BOMB!" and won.
They might run with the slogan IF WERE IN A FREAKIN WAR. As long as he adds in the facts of improving health care and the the best laugh so far -> "I promise to end all taxes" -Ron Paul. We want to win and if a slogan like WAR,WAR,WAR,BOMB,BOMB,BOMB does it so be it.
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War, War, War, Platform? Are you forgetting FDR?
Um no, sorry. FDR-before the war started, ran on platform of keeping America out of Europe's war.
 
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