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Gibbs M73 G2 Scope: Need Idiot Proof operators instructions.

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I am looking at this scope on my M1903A4 Gibbs clone / repro M73 scope and clueless
how to properly adjust it.

Does anyone have info they can share ?

Thank you in advance.
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mil,

If I remember correctly there was a difference between the early reproductions and the later ones. Do you know which one you have? I'm sure someone more knowledgable will chime in.

-Brian
Brian, it has M73B G2.

I am guessing G2 is 2nd Generation Chicom Hi Lux scope.

I don't want to mess with it till someone tells me how to work these drums. I think the screws I see lock down the drums.
Very dinky tiny delicate small drums. I don't want to hamfist this and twist something off. I can see...a Alaskan Lyman scope is on the Must Buy List.
I think you are gonna appreciate the PU scope even more after dealing with these scopes.

You can turn the drum with your fingers. The grooves in the knobs are kinda like crude clicks and the spring steel things make them kinda lock into postition. There should be an arrow on each telling you which way is up and R--L on POI. No need to fear turning them. When they reach there limits of movement, just do not try to force past the limits. I can not recall how much each click is but I think it is an MOA.?? These second gen Chinese scopes are much better than the first.
Mike: then don't bother any of the screws , just operate knobs and end of story ? That right ?

Do you think I can get to 800 yds with these optics ? Or will I be using a SWAG Hold OVer to get this far?

I know folks get to 600 yds at Camp Perry with this Gibbs A4 with Chicom Optics.

Yes.... I am on the hunt for an Lyman Alaskan, hope the Chicom optics don't die on me before I find the Lyman.
Mike: then don't bother any of the screws , just operate knobs and end of story ? That right ?

Do you think I can get to 800 yds with these optics ? Or will I be using a SWAG Hold OVer to get this far?

I know folks get to 600 yds at Camp Perry with this Gibbs A4 with Chicom Optics.



Yes.... I am on the hunt for an Lyman Alaskan, hope the Chicom optics don't die on me before I find the Lyman.
I've got mine to 700 yards so far and I don't think 800 is out of the question.
Jake, thanks for adding that. Are you using 150 gr or 175 grain bullets ?

How do you have it set up: shot point of aim to point of impact or do you shoot at 6 on the bull and bullets impact
in center of the bull ?

Can you tell me also how many clicks "UP" you have for 300, 600 and 700 yds please.
optics PU vs A4

Mike Radford: you are on the money regarding the optics shock . Compared to the PU scope, the A4 is like going from beer to Near Beer. Doesn't sound like much but the loss of 3.5 on the PU to 2.5 power on the A4 was a real shocker, but... its what they used on the A4 in WWII...........so I will press on and make it work.
Take the rifle to a range and place it in a stable rest.
Remove the bolt.
Sight down the barrel at a target say 50 yards away.
Adjust the crosshairs in the scope until the view through the scope is aligned with the view through the barrel.
When it looks like its close reinstall the bolt and fire a few sighters.
Adjust windage and elevation as needed until you are getting center impacts with a 6 o'clock hold.
Then move your target out to 100 yards and adjust the scope as needed.
Keep moving the target and adjusting the scope as necessary for longer ranges.

FYI the original Weaver 330C (M73B1) had 2.75X Magnification and 1/4" click adjustments. The Lyman Alaskan which was approved but never issued was 2.5X and used 1" Clicks.

The first run of Gibbs A4 Clones used a so-called M73G1 (the "G" is for Gibbs.) They were Made by FM optics and are so marked. They were a major problem so Gibbs kicked them to the curb and took the business to Leatherwood/HiLux/Malcolm. The 2nd Generation scopes were marked M73G2. They have recently been superceded by a new model the M73G4. The replica (M73G4) scopes are advertised as having 2.5X magnification, 1/2 minute clicks
and 50MOA of elevation adjustment.

Regards,
Jim
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The Lyman ALASKAN` was never issued and used ? I just ran this rabbit down the hole here at Quantico
and for Korean War, the Marines used them. Can you please give me your source that negates this ?
No use buying a scope if its not correct, I am all ears.
The Lyman ALASKAN` was never issued and used ? I just ran this rabbit down the hole here at Quantico
and for Korean War, the Marines used them. Can you please give me your source that negates this ?
No use buying a scope if its not correct, I am all ears.
First lets make sure what we are talking about. I was referring to the general issue of the M73 (Lyman Alaskan) scope on the m1903A4 snipers rifle in WW2. Personally I believe thsi was the scope that ordnance actually wanted for the A4. Certain design features of the A4 such as the bevel at the rear of the scope base are needed with the Lyman scope but serve no purpose with the Weaver. Likewiae with a properly mounted Alaskan the A4 Safety can be used. With the Weaver the tab bumps into the tube.

In any case Ordnance ordered some 36,000 M73's to be installed on A4's beginning in Mid-43. (Hansen, Remington Collectors Journal Fall 2004). Also Tm 9-270 Sept 43 whsich describes the A4 and its scopes goes into detail about the Weaver but states "a Lyman Alaaskan will also be issued but no details are currently available". A scant five months later Ordnance published the updated manual TM 9-1270 and all mention of the Lyman Alaskan has been omitted (at least as far as the M1903A4 is concerned.)
Unlike Weaver Lyman subcontracted its lenses as matched sets from Bausch and Lomb. B&L was busy with a lot of higher priority war work (binoculars, periscopes, rangefinders etc so the planned M73 order never got off the ground. Ordnance who had actually cancelled the Weaver contract had to go back to them and un-cancel the cancellation. The Weaver M73B1 was then the only scope except for a few experimental models and commercial equivalents used on the A4.
By 1945 Lyman was able to deliver a few M73's which were used on M1E7's (predessessor of the M1C). Very quickly Ordnance added a sunshade and rubber eyeshade creating the M81 Scope. A short time after that the reticle was changed to a tapered post creating the M82. The M73, M81 and M82 were all versions of the Lyman Alaskan however some M82's were made by Wollensak. (Waite, American Rifleman June 1965).

In 1951 Ordnance purchased 3000 Lyman Alaskans (the "B" prefix serial numbers). At about the same time Springfield Armory was given and order to manufacture slightly more than 3000 M1C's. (Seijas and Bell, Garand Collectors Journal Fall 2004). Around 1950 the USMC was looking hard at the M1C as a replacement for the aging M1903A1 w/Unertl platform. At least one combat photograph shows a USMC sniper using an M1C with an Alaskan.

So is it possible that somehow, by hook or by crook, an Alaskan found its way on to an A4? Sure! Was it standard issue? No evidence of that.

Regards,
Jim
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Jake, thanks for adding that. Are you using 150 gr or 175 grain bullets ?

How do you have it set up: shot point of aim to point of impact or do you shoot at 6 on the bull and bullets impact
in center of the bull ?

Can you tell me also how many clicks "UP" you have for 300, 600 and 700 yds please.
Its been a while but I'm pretty sure I'm using 175 gr SMKs and varget. Zeroed at 200 yards at 11 on the turret. 300 yards = +3 numbers on the elevation turret so for example from 11 to 14. 400 Yards = +9 numbers on the elevation turret so from 11 to 20. 500 yards is +12 so from 11 to 23. 600 yards is +17 so 11 to 28, 700 yards I was back around at 11 plus 2.5

Also I hold center mass as I shoot steel.

Here is me shooting 600 on a windy day

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNAlI8DIMRE

Jake
Jgaynor: Sir, many thanks for your in depth response. It does throw shadows on the Alaskan and slow me down to pause...justifiably.

Jake: Great input on dope for scope and will go out to Quantico to validate what works for this rifle. I will be on paper at longer ranges thanks to you . Thank you very much. This week: develop the hand load that shoots best at 100 yds and validate it at 300 yds...then move to 600 yds and back wards.
Milprileb, I hope the information on zeroing your scope was useful.

The following link will take you to a .pdf reproduction of TM9-270 -- the scope zeroing istructions start about page 20.
http://photos.imageevent.com/badgerdog/generalstorage/tm9270usriflecal30m1903a4/TM9-270_1943.pdf

Regards,
Jim
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