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G-41 pics and question

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Here's some pics of the DUV '43 G-41 posted in my earlier thread. Rifle has a interesting period repair by the left side sling band secured with a wooden dowel. This piece also has electro pencil numbers on the E/ 359 coded magazine. Mag is original to rifle and has no signs of other numbers being removed. Also present and tough to see is the rifle serial number marked with electro pencil on the right side of the front and rear band. The brownish patina makes it hard to see and photograph. I highlighted them in a couple pics. They have been definitely been there a very long time and I only spotted them after I owned the weapon awhile. Anyone seen this type of marking before?
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OK, let's try pics again

Pics re-attached. Hopefully, they'll stay this time!

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I haven't had the fortune to inspect a very large sampling of these weapons, but I'd be highly suspicious of the idea that the magazine is original to the gun, as production was moving along in a fairly orderly fashion at the time, and mixing of parts would be very unlikely. It seems plausible that the 3 parts were electro-pencilled at the time of the repair. Below is a PIC of duv43 of same letter block, with 214 mark on sling band in same area. (The light marks are just fine scratches exagerated by the flash.) I haven't seen any external EP'ing of any G41 parts until now, but I could have missed it in PICs if it is faint.

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That might make more sense. There are no proofs on either of my bands. As far as the mag being original to the gun, I mean that's the way is has been since the war-no collector enhancement and there is no evidence I can see of another stamped number being removed from any part of the magazine. Is your mag stamped matched to the gun?
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Here are PICs of mag numbering that's correct for ac and duv G41s. This number matches the receiver. Externally, the duvs should have identical stamped numbers on triggerguard, mag, top/aft of receiver cover, top front of bolt carrier, L/H side of front sight base, and muzzle cone. Walthers will have a stamped number on the bottom of the magazine. First PIC is "ac", second is "duv".

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Thanks for the pics. Very strange indeed. As I look at your pictures and my rifle, under magnification I see a VERY slight change in the machining marks in a shallow scallop on mine near where your stamped numbers are on the DUV weapon pic. It's visible in the above pic. If there were prior numbers there they weren't deep at all. But this being a Walther mag, one would expect any previous numbers to have been on the bottom to start with. The rifle has matching font numbers in all the other places indicated in your post. Given the fact it almost certainly went through some sort of repair action as indicated by the stock repair, your thoughts about replacement parts makes sense to me. Other then the mag enigma and the lack of E/214 proofs on the bands, which doesn't hurt it as far as I'm concerned, it's a keeper. It came with the pictured '43 dated E/ WaAB66 marked sling as well. The original sight hood is the only thing added to the rifle.
I think the $1,300.00 I spent was still a deal!

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$1300 is a ridiculously great deal. It's a fine gun indeed ! I'm happy to share whatever info I can, and gain new knowledge in the process...and hope I don't come off as nit-picky. Some of these G41s saw some hard use, but still held up pretty well. What a tank, though...a beast to carry around these must have been. The longer I collect, the more I focus on the "full-power", WWII auto-loaders. I'm also a huge fan of the Tokarev.
$1300, that is a smoking deal, I paid just a hair more for mine and it was in much worse condition than that, you can see my pics a few posts, Only 15% finish remaining.

My gun is an AC43 and it shows no external EP markings. My mag was missing so no help there, I have the french repro which is patterned on a DUV mag.

The locking lugs on mine appear to be EP'd, but that is all that comes to mind.

I am not sure they saw that much hard use. From everything I read the front line troops didnt care for them much and they went to second line troops. Certainly were fired in anger on the Eastern front though. I have oftern wondered of the G41's in the US, how they came to be captured by the Americans. My 2 thoughts are from units transfered from the eastern front prior to or just after the Normandy invasion, or units that fled the russians as the war was winding down looking for an American to surrender to. Sorry I think of these things.

I actually dont think mine feels much heavier than my G43 with a ZF4 scope. Defineatly balanced differently though.
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Some pictures I've seen of these being used on the eastern front appear completely devoid of finish so they were definitely being used hard there and Italy as well but would seem to have been a lot less common on the Western Front given thier relative scarcity now. There is a fairly well known photo of some Germans with a Goliath remote controlled demo "tank" somewhere in Normandy where one guy clearly has a G-41M slung so a few were floating around.
Years ago, I carried one of these on an all day hike and plink outing and will attest to the fact that while rifles like the Garand are heavier, the muzzle heavy unbalanced awkward feel of these weapons made it seem much heavier by the end of the day. I can imagine they weren't much lamented when they were replaced.
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