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Posted - 05/07/2006 : 5:26:29 PM
I recently visited a motorcycle/car fair in Oslo where there are usually a fair number of weapons sold as well. I picked up a 1915 dated Lineman tool and a 1943 Spanish Mauser rifle at a ridiculously low price. However the greatest find of the day was medals and documentation of a veteran of WWI and WWII.
Here's Rudolf Georg Bube from Bochum in Nordrhein Westphalen, a German WWI soldier from the 9th of november 1914 to the 2nd of december 1918.
Posting all the documentation will make an incredibly large post so I'll make a second one with the details. It is here: http://www.gunboards.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=163733
Here's Rudolf Georg Bube photographed in 1925, it is from his drivers licence.
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Here he is in 1935. The picture is from his passport.
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Normally it is impossible to attach a name to German medals. Unlike the English, the Germans did not engrave the names on the medals. However these are Bubes, beyond doubt.
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Together with the medals I got his Militärpass (soldiers service book) that gives the details of his service in the Prussian Ersatz Jäger battallion number 7.
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Interestingly he has glued in a cutout from a book showing all the actions he took part in in Rumania, he certainly saw action....
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Together with this I got his passport issued in 1935. It has him listed as "Kaufmann" which would be a store owner or seller.
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Here's his Weimar era (1925) Führerschein. No, Führer does not mean he is Der Führer, only that he is allowed to drive a vehicle, a drivers licence.
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I'm not quite sure what this is, but I believe it is a document allowing him to drive (own?) a specific vehicle. This is dated on the 23rd of february 1940.
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Exactly what happened to him I don't know, but the documentation turned up in Norway and the dates I've foud make it possible that he was here. According to the German "Volksbund" (War graves commission) he was killed on the 4th of november 1944, almost exactly 30 years after he was enlisted in the imperial German army. The Soviet Russian army entered northern Norway (in south Varanger where I'm from) in september 1944 from the Murmansk area (Litsa front). From there they pushed southwards while Finland was turning their guns on their former allies. Here's what the Volksbund has listed:
Nachname: Bube
Vorname: Rudolf
Dienstgrad:
Geburtsdatum: 08.09.1894
Geburtsort: Bochum
Todes-/Vermisstendatum: 04.11.1944
Todesort: nicht verzeichnet
He is buried in Bochum, his home town, together with other casualties who died in different countries during WWII.
Rudolf Bube ruht auf der Kriegsgräberstätte in Bochum-Hauptfriedhof (Bundesrepublik Deutschland) .
Endgrablage: Grab 69
Here's a picture from that war cemetary.
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Any additional information or thoughts are greatly appreciated.
Edited by - Bayonetcollector on 05/07/2006 5:59:58 PM Big commander
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Posted - 05/07/2006 : 8:45:17 PM
Yo de mannen! (Flemish for: Hello you men! and as a courtesy to JPS).
Well, Mister Rudolf Georg Bübe as made his way to the cyberspacearchives. BC I can help you but this time dictionaries are needed and it is rather much in that sense that, as you know, this is puzzlework. Half of the handwriting I can read on the spot, it is the other half that often makes things clear as crystal.
Just the first impression in a nutshell: His parents are mentioned, his and his fathers occupation, his iron cross class II, he fought in Romania,was subsequently Jaeger/Oberjaeger/NCO (armament I think). In WWI he was wounded "in the field".
His "driver licenses" are amusing: in 1925 for a motorcycle (Kraftrad), in 1927 handwritten on page two for a heavier vehicle (Klasse 3b, what this was I don't know), but in 1940 for a "remorque" of 165 kilos with "airtires" (dimension of the tires 4,50x17, think this is in inches and probably copied from the tires themselves by the official).
Sorry, had to use the french word for (Anhänger) the english escapes me for the moment. So he did well between the two WW's.
In general nothing spectacular but interesting. I suppose you want me to post more on the "elaborated" topic? Just some patience please.Ubique fidelis et fortis
(1st recce)
Bayonetcollector
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Posted - 05/08/2006 : 02:25:45 AM
Hi Big Commander. Yes, he made his way into cyberspace... Newer info than 60 years I refrain from publishing, but older info is ok is what I think. At this age the info will be a gift to any genealogist looking for this man, without offending the mans privacy as he is long dead. In a sense you keep people "alive" by remembering them, so this is perhaps a step towards immortality for him...?
This is probably not spectacular, one of many stories simply, only unusual in that it is better documented than most. His Militärpass appears to be a treasure trove of WWI information. And it is fun to have pictures and documents showing the actual owner of the objects, in this case the medals.
I know this is much and not easy to read either, so don't feel obliged to spend endless hours pouring over this. There is no demand for a total translation, but anything you might spot that may be of interest is very welcome.
The Expert
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Posted - 05/08/2006 : 03:41:31 AM
An "Anhaenger" is a trailer towed behind a vehicle. In this case a trailer with air tires and an empty weight of 165 kg and a maximum loaded weight of 565kg with an open box. This document would correspond with what we in the USA would call a "registration certificate."
See the other thread for more.
Regards.CCW permits?? We live in Alaska. We don't need no stinkin' CCW permits!!
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Norway
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Here's Rudolf Georg Bube from Bochum in Nordrhein Westphalen, a German WWI soldier from the 9th of november 1914 to the 2nd of december 1918.
Posting all the documentation will make an incredibly large post so I'll make a second one with the details. It is here: http://www.gunboards.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=163733
Here's Rudolf Georg Bube photographed in 1925, it is from his drivers licence.
Download Attachment:

289.03 KB
Here he is in 1935. The picture is from his passport.
Download Attachment:

141.35 KB
Normally it is impossible to attach a name to German medals. Unlike the English, the Germans did not engrave the names on the medals. However these are Bubes, beyond doubt.
Download Attachment:

202.38 KB
Together with the medals I got his Militärpass (soldiers service book) that gives the details of his service in the Prussian Ersatz Jäger battallion number 7.
Download Attachment:

281.08 KB
Interestingly he has glued in a cutout from a book showing all the actions he took part in in Rumania, he certainly saw action....
Download Attachment:

240.49 KB
Together with this I got his passport issued in 1935. It has him listed as "Kaufmann" which would be a store owner or seller.
Download Attachment:

246.27 KB
Download Attachment:

239.76 KB
Here's his Weimar era (1925) Führerschein. No, Führer does not mean he is Der Führer, only that he is allowed to drive a vehicle, a drivers licence.
Download Attachment:

244.65 KB
Download Attachment:

223.49 KB
I'm not quite sure what this is, but I believe it is a document allowing him to drive (own?) a specific vehicle. This is dated on the 23rd of february 1940.
Download Attachment:

194.58 KB
Download Attachment:

186.67 KB
Exactly what happened to him I don't know, but the documentation turned up in Norway and the dates I've foud make it possible that he was here. According to the German "Volksbund" (War graves commission) he was killed on the 4th of november 1944, almost exactly 30 years after he was enlisted in the imperial German army. The Soviet Russian army entered northern Norway (in south Varanger where I'm from) in september 1944 from the Murmansk area (Litsa front). From there they pushed southwards while Finland was turning their guns on their former allies. Here's what the Volksbund has listed:
Nachname: Bube
Vorname: Rudolf
Dienstgrad:
Geburtsdatum: 08.09.1894
Geburtsort: Bochum
Todes-/Vermisstendatum: 04.11.1944
Todesort: nicht verzeichnet
He is buried in Bochum, his home town, together with other casualties who died in different countries during WWII.
Rudolf Bube ruht auf der Kriegsgräberstätte in Bochum-Hauptfriedhof (Bundesrepublik Deutschland) .
Endgrablage: Grab 69
Here's a picture from that war cemetary.
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Any additional information or thoughts are greatly appreciated.

Edited by - Bayonetcollector on 05/07/2006 5:59:58 PM Big commander
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Belgium
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Well, Mister Rudolf Georg Bübe as made his way to the cyberspacearchives. BC I can help you but this time dictionaries are needed and it is rather much in that sense that, as you know, this is puzzlework. Half of the handwriting I can read on the spot, it is the other half that often makes things clear as crystal.
Just the first impression in a nutshell: His parents are mentioned, his and his fathers occupation, his iron cross class II, he fought in Romania,was subsequently Jaeger/Oberjaeger/NCO (armament I think). In WWI he was wounded "in the field".
His "driver licenses" are amusing: in 1925 for a motorcycle (Kraftrad), in 1927 handwritten on page two for a heavier vehicle (Klasse 3b, what this was I don't know), but in 1940 for a "remorque" of 165 kilos with "airtires" (dimension of the tires 4,50x17, think this is in inches and probably copied from the tires themselves by the official).
Sorry, had to use the french word for (Anhänger) the english escapes me for the moment. So he did well between the two WW's.
In general nothing spectacular but interesting. I suppose you want me to post more on the "elaborated" topic? Just some patience please.Ubique fidelis et fortis
(1st recce)

Gunboards.Com Gold Star Member

Norway
1471 Posts



This is probably not spectacular, one of many stories simply, only unusual in that it is better documented than most. His Militärpass appears to be a treasure trove of WWI information. And it is fun to have pictures and documents showing the actual owner of the objects, in this case the medals.
I know this is much and not easy to read either, so don't feel obliged to spend endless hours pouring over this. There is no demand for a total translation, but anything you might spot that may be of interest is very welcome.

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USA
1417 Posts


See the other thread for more.
Regards.CCW permits?? We live in Alaska. We don't need no stinkin' CCW permits!!