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Syrian MAS 49

GarandFan43
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Posted - 05/19/2007 : 08:29:21 AM
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Hello all, I recently put on layaway a Syrian contract MAS 49. I have read that there was only 6,000 rifles made for the Syrians, is this true? Which MAS 49 is more uncommon, the Syrian or the French? The rifle I purchased is very nice overall. The gray parkerizing is in the 90% to 95% range. The bore is bright and shiny with no pitting but unfortunately, is counterbored. The wood looks like it has had many dings and dents through the years but has been sanded at some point, maybe the same time it was counterbored. The serial numbers on the buttstock and forestock are still very sharp and the 1953 roundel cartouche on the buttstock is still readable as well! However, the grasping grooves are barely there. The rifle has matching serial numbers on the receiver, triggerguard, buttstock and forstock. The only non-matching number I can see on the whole piece is the bayonet. Is the bolt and carrier numbered on the inside where it can't be seen without disassembly? I wasn't really in the market for one of these but the price of $275 was just to good to pass up! I used to have a 49/56 years ago but sold it awhile back. The problem I always had with that particular rifle was that it would go full auto on me. Occasionally, with no rhyme or reason, it would do a two round burst. Is this common with these rifles and is there anything that can be done about it? Lastly, I know these rifles weren't imported in the last few years, but it doesn't seem like Syria is a country we've been on friendly terms with anytime recently. Does anyone know if these rifles were imported directly from Syria or from another country? Thanks everyone for any and all info and help that is provided!

marysdad
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Posted - 05/19/2007 : 09:49:20 AM
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Although there were fewer of the Syrian variant produced, they are equally, if not more, plentiful in the USA than the French variant. Your rifle was counterbored when it left the factory and the grasping grooves are very shallow, so your rifle is probably in facrory finish. The bolt and carrier are numbered on the inside. Mine are mismatched, but everything else matches like yours does. $275 is a steal for one of these, so you did well to grab it. These are suseptible to slam firing, the same as the 49/56. There are three approaches to addressing this: adding a spring to the firing pin, flattening the tip of the firing pin, or obtaining a lightened firing pin. Search on this forum and you'll find lots of info.

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GarandFan43
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Posted - 05/19/2007 : 2:29:10 PM
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Thank you for the info. Just wondering, why in the world would they counterbore the muzzle at the factory? And the shallow grasping grooves are factory too? There is one last question I forgot to ask earlier. I noticed the the F prefix of the serial number on the receiver, triggerguard and buttstock is a block letter F and the s/n prefix on the forestock is a cursive letter F. Is this normal? Thanks again!!


vonmazur
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Posted - 05/19/2007 : 3:20:09 PM
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These guns were delivered in 1953/54, just as the Factory and the French Ordnance were converting to Roman Letters, replacing the Cursive Italic Script. All of the original, un-messed with Syrian Rifles I have ever examined were in the 30,000 series and all were typical of that era.

The grooves are narrow in those days, even the French Mle 49 Rifles are like that. In the 60's, when they rebuilt the French Issue Rifles, they used Beechwood to replace Walnut, and the groove is wider and deeper than in 1953.

All of the Mle 49 and Mle 36 Rifles made after Jan 1950, have a counterbore at the muzzle, with white metal showing on mintier examples. This was done to reduce damage at the muzzle by cleaning rods and pull thrus. I have a Mle 1936 made in 1949, un-altered, which is not counterbored, a similar gun, made in 1950 is. The official explanation is that the use of the rigid rod, to clean from the muzzle, was required with the semi auto rifles, unlike the Mle 36 that was easily cleaned from the breech, and since the chief cause or barrel replacement was found to be muzzle wear and this was attributed to over-zealous cleaning...I do not know if this is the case or not, just that this is the reason I was given for the C/B in the 50's..

The receiver cover is stamped inside, by the buffer, and they used an Italic F, later they stamped the rear of the cover, and used Roman Letters. If the receiver cover is cut flat, at a 45 deg angle, it is an Arsenal restamp, if it is round, then it is the original configuration. There are many little details noticed by the collectors on this board that apply to the Mle 49, such as the location and style of serie Number and other little things....(The Nylon bushings on the hammer, etc...)

Almost all of the Mle 49 Syrian guns were imported by Century Arms and they were well used by the Syrians. Some were imported from Canada, and they were in similar condition to yours.

Only 265 or so of the FRENCH Mle 49's were sold by AIM in Ohio in the 90's. Several thousand if not most of the Syrian Contract Guns were imported into the US, at various times. The Mle 44 Rifles were all in one batch, brought in by Century in the 1980's, supposedly they brought in 3000 of the 6000 made.....

Dale

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kelt
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Posted - 05/19/2007 : 3:59:19 PM
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The counterboring of the barrel end was carried out at the factory during the barrel machining process on all French rifles designed for launching of the model 1948 grenades.

Slam fire, or more accurately "uncontrolled firing" is not a curse.

A Mas 49 or 49-56 rifle properly maintained should never slam fire, I have no memory of a rifle slam firing while I was in the Army in the Sixties, the 49-56 was the main battle rifle then, even the 49.56 dedicated to grenade launching didn't get rattled enough by it to go slam firing.

Slam fire is not the proper term, as the bolt is already locked when the firing pin is allowed to move ahead or to be striken by the hammer, beside firing on its own the rifle is safe and there are no risks of the cartridge to go off before it is fully chambered and the bolt locked, uinlike other semi autos that may litterally explode.

The possible causes of slam fire are:
- soft primers, usually on a correctly maintained rifle, the use of CCI 34 primers should be sufficient to prevent it.
- bad vertical adjustment of the trigger block, the hammer protrusion inside the receiver should be adjusted between 0.8mm and 1.0mm above the floor of the receiver, the hammer being held back on the auto sear, and not on the trigger sear.
- excessive wear of the hammer, auto sear, trigger sear.
- excessive length of the firing pin, pin protrusion in the bolt face should not exceed 0.8mm.
- incorrect assembly of bolt and firing pin, both should be of the correct type, marked with a "O" on the side.
- loose stock and/or loose trigger block.


kelt

GarandFan43
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Posted - 05/23/2007 : 10:48:32 AM
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Thanks guys for all the great responses! Now that everyone mentions the counterbore, I checked on my MAS 36/51 and it appears to be counterbored as well. Atleast the rifling doesn't go all the way to the muzzle. Its in the F 95,000 range. Is there anyway to determine the date of manufacture of this rifle? Someone mentioned one way to help curb the "slam fire" issue in the 49 series of rifles was to install a spring on the firing pin. What type of spring should I use? Has anyone here tried it and did it work? Lastly, I have a box of the Prvi Partizan 7.5 French, can anyone attest to how it shoots? Guess now I'm going to have to pick up a few more boxes at the next gunshow! Thanks again for all the help guys, it is greatly appreciated!


vonmazur
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Posted - 05/23/2007 : 4:08:37 PM
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To determine the date of manufacture, post the Series number and prefix, or refer to the stick posts above that have the serial data on the French Rifles..

Dale

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kelt
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Posted - 05/23/2007 : 4:34:30 PM
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Syrian contract Mas 49 if within the F33000 to F39000 range was built in 1953.

kelt


vonmazur
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Posted - 05/24/2007 : 11:49:28 AM
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A Mle 36-51 F 90,000 would be approxomately 1954/55. By this time, all of the Mle 36 rifles made, used the same, "one size fits all" barrel, with the hole in front of the front sight that allows installation on a Mle 36 or a Mle 36-51.

I have seen several of the 36-51 Rifles in minty condition lately, they had tags stating that they were in "New" condition, unlike the usually "once rebuilt-like new" models that one sees at gun shows.

Dale

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GarandFan43
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Posted - 05/28/2007 : 08:11:26 AM
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Thanks vonmazur for the date info on my 36/51. The faint remnants of the roundel cartouche are there on the stock, but it is not readable. Well, this past Saturday I picked up my Syrian contract MAS 49 and can now offer more details! Serial number is F39251 and is matching on the receiver, triggerguard, forestock and buttstock. Mismatched numbers are on the bayonet, receiver cover, bolt and bolt carrier. However, all the mismatched numbers are in the proper Syrian serial range. A block letter F is used on the receiver, buttstock and bolt (electropenciled) and cursive f is on the forestock, triggerguard and receiver cover. The roundel cartouche on the buttstock is still readable and is marked with the date Juille 1953. I'm judgeing by the serial number that this particular rifle was made at the very end of the Syrian contract? It also seems from what I've read on this forum and seen on the auctions sights recently that it is just about impossible to find a MAS 49 with all matching numbers? Are there any other details I should look at more closely on this rifle that will give me any additional info on it? Its a fairly neat rifle and am glad I added it to my collection. I'm interested to try it out at the range one day. I must admit, buying this MAS 49 has given me the hankering for reacquiring a 49/56 for the collection as well. Thanks again to everyone who has helped me out!


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Posted - 05/28/2007 : 5:10:35 PM
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I don't really think you could go too far wrong for $275.00. Those a really pretty looking rifles. They aren't making any more of them either.
 

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I saved the French MAS 44 - 49 - 49/56 Survey started by DMinFla from the Old GunBoards French Discussion Board......

The "UpLoaded" pics Didn't make it from the old site


Buddy

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Here is the Title from the Old French GunBoard....please note there were 11,304 Views
So.....you can add the number of Views here on the New French GunBoard and get an over all Grand Total of Views for the Survey

Sticky: Survey On MAS 44,49 and 49/56 rifles DMinFla Views 11,304
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Hi there Goose52 had a great idea on the Hakim site about starting a survey on the MAS 44,49 and 49/56 rifles so i am going to start one here now so if you have one of those rifles please post your info here or e-mail me with it thanks.Now as this is my first survey i am going to make it easy on everyone here including me

MAS 1944 rifles
Ser#
Is it painted black or parkerized

MAS 1949 French rifles
Ser#
Does it have the grenade launcher on it still

MAS 1949 Syria inport rifles
Ser#

MAS 1949/56 rifles
Ser#
Does it have a open flash hider or a muzzle break on it
Is the Ser# vertical or horizontal

Full ser # would be great but if you don't want to post it here you can e-mail me with it if you want to.I will not keep any info on who sent it just the info on the rifles and who knows we may learn somthing new thanks.DMinFla

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Edited by - DMinFla on 03/16/2005 5:43:23 PM


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I currently own the Following MAS Self Loaders

also to help the survey....mention if your MAS 44's are Black Painted or Parkerized....

MAS 44
F 4 [Yes Serial number 4] Painted Black
F 975 Painted Black
F 2191 Parkerized
F 4857 Parkerized


MAS 49
F 39732 Syrian Contract/ Spike bayonet
F 51315
F 52581
F 74344

MAS 49/56
G 39929
G 41178 has Muzzle Break instead of Open Flash Hider [see pic below]
G 55160
G 57415
H 42192

MAS.223 / Semi FAMAS
SA 00023B
My FAMAS Picture Album.....
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/FAMAS/

Link to my MAS F 4....
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/French_MAS/MAS_44_A.MultipleViews.jpg

Pic link to serial Number G 41178 Muzzle Break.....Left
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/French_MAS/MAS_4956_Muzzles.jpg

Here is a MAS 49/56 with First/Early version Flash Hider....
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/French_MAS/MAS_4956_EarlyMuzzleBreakA.jpg

Link to my MAS Picture album >>> http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/French_MAS/

Buddy
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7/30/2006


Here is a list of all MAS Rifle Info posted in this "string" as of 7/30/06
And serial numbers that I have seen on the Internet and have pics of the receivers

I will update list as more Rifle info is posted.....

Rearsenal Dated are posted in [Brackets]
GL = Grenade Launcher

MAS 44

F 4 Painted Black
F 35 Painted Black
F 445 Painted Black
F 48x Black Enamel
F 613 Painted Black
F 63X Black enamel
F 975 Painted Black
F 1080 Black Painted
F 1166 Paint/Park.
F 1240 Black Painted
F 143X black enamel
F 1618 Painted Black
F 1926 Paint/Park / Anchor on butt plate
F 2191 Parkerized
F 3250 Parkerized
F 3339 Parkerized
F 3418 Parkerized
F 3474 Parkerized
F 3633 Parkerized
F 3879 Parkerized
F 3937 - parked - unknown barrel date
F 4673 Parkerized
F 477X
F 4857 Parkerized
F 5008 Parkerized
F 5098 Parkerized
F 5325 Parkerized
F 5537 Painted Black
F 5895 Parkerized

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MAS 49

F 3879
F 6910 - GL - horizontal serial - barrel MAS-1962-SEY - [P69]
F 803x
F 14970 (horizontal), barrel Mas-1953, GL , parkerized
F 193XX w/grenade launcher
F 2364x
F 2415x
F 25554 GL park'd
F 33792 Syrian
F 36483 Syrian parked
F 3732x Syrian
F 37383 Syrian
F 38586 Syrian Matching Numbers
F 39732 Syrian / Spike bayonet
F 39xxx Syrian 1953
F 68xx Park launcher Horizontal # (This one is sniper grade with white bore and fitted stock)
F 10xxx " " "
F 15xxx " " "
F 25xxx " " "
F 35xxx " " "
F 48xxx " " Vertical #
F 58666 Paint No Launch. "
F 79079 Park Launcher "
F 790xx " " "
F 32360 -Barrel marked MAS 1962 - SEB
F 33072 Syrian
F 33642- Syrian GL Barrel-MAS-1953-FY-Parkerized
F 33792
F 34310 Parked French No Grenade Launcher Horizontal
F 35873
F 37269
F 37477 Syrian Barrel marked MAS 1953 - FYc
F 37596
F 378XX Syrian
F 38725 Syrian
F 51315
F 52581
F 56014
F 59790 w/o GL park'd, vertical number
F 65839 Has grenade launcher
F 69917 Parked French With Grenade Launcher Vertical
F 74344
F 75197 Vertical Number ..like 49/56's
F 77530

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MAS 49/56

Very Rare 7.62N [7.62x51 NATO] caliber No219

G Series
G 865 Park second type bbl and flash hider
G 2457 [P72]
G 2778 (vertical) with muzzle brake and grenade launcher [P76]
G 3656 vertical cal 7,62 marked 308
G 458x Vertical # Rebuild [P-71] Cal .308 Muzzle Break
G 7459 Vertical Flash Hider
G 9282 - Muzzle break - Vert Barrel marked MAS-1958 - SEb
G 12875
G 13724 Flash Hider-Vertical Barrel-MAS-1972-CSJ-Parkerized-(.308)
G 14018 [P84]
G 15939 Converted .308 [ P78]
G 16215 [P77] [ P92]
G 17424 [P87]
G 1781x Vertical # Rebuild [P-70] [P-77] Flash Hider
G 18962 [P78]
G 20380 Converted to .308 [ P67]
G 21709 (vertical), barrel Mas-1971, refurbished 1971, transformed MSE 1975.
G 21794
G 23748 This MAS has the Early Open Slot Flash Hider
G 26350 [P77] Restamp 7.62 / .308
G 26698, vertical serial #, and open flash hider, barrel MAS 1960 Mft, rearsenal P72
G 28093
G 30507 [P78]
G 32838 [P82]
G 350XX [P63]
G 35061
G 36553 [P78] Restamp 7.62 .308
G 37329 [P67]
G 37417 [P76] Converted to .308
G 38442 [P91]
G 39929
G 39707 [P78]
G 40673 vertical, flash hider, barrel date MAS-1978-MFn - [P83]
G 4075x Vertical # Rebuild [P-71] Flash Hider
G 41178 has Muzzle Break
G 42134 Converted to .308
G 42172 [P76]
G 42957
G 44475 vertical, flash hider, barrel date MAS-1966-SE-h - [P67]
G 45641
G 47805 vertical Has muzzle break
G 48035 [P86] Restamped 7.62 / .308
G 48880
G 50247 stamped vertical [ P71] [ P88] [ P92]
G 50773 (vertical), barrel Mas-1966, refurbished 1970.
G 51369 Vertical Flash Hider Wide Front Sight [P75]
G 51825 Converted to .308
G 525XX not refurbished
G 54680 [P85]
G 54986 Converted to .308
G 55160
G 55498
G 57415
G 57767, vertical on receiver.2 rebuild marks, [P72] and [P85]
G 59656 Vertical Flash Hider
G 63569
G 64094 [P69] .308
G 65761 [ P86]
G 71040 vertical, flash hider, barrel date MAS-1960-MFt - no rearsenal
G 79772
G 86713 Converted to .308 [P81]
G 87009 muzzle brake.
G 87246 vertical, flash hider, barrel date MAS-1982-LMNi - [P88][P92]
G 880XX not refurbished - like new - AR crown
G 89337
G 89430 [P76] Restamped 7.62 / .cal .308
G 90073 [P70] [ P84]
G 91372
G 93473 [P70] [P75]
G 97608 [P81]
G 98038 [P66]

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H Series

H 01598
H 06304 -Flash Hider-Vertical Rebuild [P82] Barrel-MAS-1975-LMNg-Parkerized
H 06596 vertical, flash hider, barrel date MAS-1961-AUb - no rearsenal
H 07513 Vertical Flash Hider [P77] [P86]
H 088XX modified MSE
H 10xxx Park second type bbl and flash hider
H 10416
H 10518 Parked French With Flash Hider Vertical
H 11387 Restamped 7.62 / .308
H 23379 vertical, flash hider, barrel date MAS-1981-LMNi - [P85]
Model 49/56 - converted to 7.62 / .308
H 11387 Converted to .308
H 1781*, stamped vertically Type 2 flash hider Barrel MAS 1962 Mff Rearsenal stamp: [P71]
H 17958
H 22338 [P78]
H 23187
H 26590 [P78]
H 3305x Vertical # No Rebuild Cal. 7.5 Flash Hider
H 34727 [P72] [P76]
H 38445
H 42029
H 42192
H 44441
H 67718
H 71736
H 73659
H 73907 (vertical), barrel Mas-1991, (cal 7.08) no refurbishing stamp
H 80915 [ P74]








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Edited by - Buddy on 07/30/2006 11:18:03 AM


Goose52
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Posted - 03/16/2005 : 12:08:17 AM
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Updated to add barrel and rearsenal data to Mle 49

MAS 44 # F 3937 - parked - unknown barrel date (don't have tool for band screws)

MAS 49 # F 6910 - French contract - Grenade launcher - horizontal serial - barrel MAS-1962-SEY - rearsenal P69

Goose

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larry408
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Posted - 03/16/2005 : 12:55:48 PM
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MAS 49/56 Serial number G 54986 Converted to .308

Also have a MAS 36 L 16274 Converted to .308

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vonmazur
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USA
1762 Posts
Posted - 03/16/2005 : 2:26:48 PM
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Guys: here is a partial list....

Mle 1944:
F 1166 Paint/Park.
F 1240 "
F 1926 " Anchor on butt plate
F 3339 Park
F 3633 "
F 5098 " (Just sold)
Mle 49 Syrian
F 38586 All matched!
F 39xxx Not matched, but mint cond! these 2 are dated 1953

Mle 49 French

F 68xx Park launcher Horizontal # (This one is sniper grade with white bore and fitted stock)
F 10xxx " " "
F 15xxx " " "
F 25xxx " " "
F 35xxx " " "
F 48xxx " " Vertical #
F 58666 Paint No Launch. "
F 79079 Park Launcher "
F 790xx " " "

Mle 1949-56
F 465 Park All have the second type bbl and flash hider except F 465
G 865 "
H 10xxx " All of these are stamped vertically IIRC

This is from memory at work, so I could be off a little, I have examined or own all the guns listed above

Dale in Ala

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DMinFla
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300 Posts
Posted - 03/16/2005 : 6:03:39 PM
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Thanks to Goose52 and Buddy i added some things to the survey. thanks for every one who added theirs to it so far.I am also adding mine here too.DMinFla

MAS 1944
Ser# F5537
Painted black

MAS 1949
Ser# F65839
Has grenade launcher

MAS 1949 Syria
Ser# F33072

MAS 1949/56
Ser# G47805 and is vertical
Has muzzle break


DMinFla


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Edited by - DMinFla on 03/16/2005 6:05:56 PM


Tembo
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Posted - 03/17/2005 : 01:59:16 AM
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MAS 44 F35 - painted black

MAS 49 F25554 - with GL park'd
MAS 49 F59790 - w/o GL park'd, vertical no.

MAS 49/56 G48621 - vertical no.


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ammolab
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USA
1337 Posts
Posted - 03/17/2005 : 11:52:12 PM
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When Century had the MAS 44s We saw three different finished weapons here.
Grey Park
Black Paint
Black Park......the black parkerized guns were the least common. Anyone else seen one of these???


vonmazur
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1762 Posts
Posted - 03/18/2005 : 11:41:12 AM
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I think the black looking park was "Stoving" a black carbon applied to the park to darken it, sometimes the varnish was worn off, so the park looked black. I have had one in the 80's......

Dale in Ala

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ammolab
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Posted - 03/18/2005 : 5:53:36 PM
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Varnish worn off?? I have a Mint 44...nothing "worn off" and it looks like Maganeese Phosphate (black) parkerizing to me. Could just be VERY dark grey. It just is a striking different finish when you put it next to a grey Parked 44.


Tembo
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Posted - 03/19/2005 : 02:14:41 AM
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I've never seen a 44 with black parkerizing. Definitely like to see it. Could you post a picture?

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kelt
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Posted - 03/19/2005 : 09:19:36 AM
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very intersting survey.

It would be even more intéresting to amend your data by adding the barrel manufacture date and eventual rearsenal stamps.

Will post my own when I get back home.


kelt


Goose52
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Posted - 03/19/2005 : 7:05:20 PM
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Edited my response (3rd post of this thread) to add barrel date and rearsenal code.

Goose

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Posted - 03/19/2005 : 7:18:49 PM
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Per your request on the other board. I bought this around 10 years ago - I have no idea what constitutes the difference between a Syrian and a French rifle. Appears painted black. I have no idea what the device near the front of it does - range finder for gl? - best guess - barrel attachment has #26 on it. No muzzle brake.

Rifle is marked EBF horizontally and F 77530 vertically. Rear of receiver marked on left in circle "MM" on right "D". Buttstock is mismatch number - F 37499. Scope is marked APX L806 OPL No 28.503 No markings noted on mount. (Did not take it off - this rig was put together by me 10+ years ago - I found the scope/mount/carrying case first and later the rifle)

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rogerbutthead the best way to tell if it is a Syrian or French 49 is the Syrian has a bayonet and the French ones does not.BTW great rifle you got there.DMinFla



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Per your request on the other board. I bought this around 10 years ago - I have no idea what constitutes the difference between a Syrian and a French rifle. Appears painted black. I have no idea what the device near the front of it does - range finder for gl? - best guess - barrel attachment has #26 on it. No muzzle break.

Rifle is marked EBF horizontally and F 77530 vertically. Rear of receiver marked on left in circle "MM" on right "D". Buttstock is mismatch number - F 37499. Scope is marked APX L806 OPL No 28.503 No markings noted on mount. (Did not take it off)

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The device on the side is the aiming devise to launch grenade, moving the screw adjusts the depht of the grenade allowing to hit according to the distance that appears on the side marks.
the aiming device can take two different angles 45° and 74 ° if I remember correctly hence allowing full distance or half distance according to the selected angle.
such devices existed on M1 Garand but without depth adjustement of the rifle grenade and it was a add on device with a gas cut off.

shooting rifle grenade with a MAS was really accurate.
the device on 49/56 works with the same principle but much faster to use with its sliding depth adjustment ring and the aiming device allows for direct AT and AP/AV shooting.


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buckeye fan
Gunboards Member



USA
66 Posts
Posted - 03/20/2005 : 2:31:42 PM
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Here are my guns.
MAS Mle 1944 F445 Black
MAS Mle 1949 F36483 Parked Syrian
MAS Mle 1949 F34310 Parked French No Grenade Launcher Horizontal
MAS Mle 1949 F69917 Parked French With Grenade Launcher Vertical
MAS Mle 1949/56 H10518 Parked French With Flash Hider Vertical
Jeff

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rogerbutthead
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USA
313 Posts
Posted - 03/20/2005 : 4:47:08 PM
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Went to go talk to an acquaintance with a MAS49 to see if he would give you his info. Ended up buying the rig. I guess its Syrian, #26 on barrel attachment, F 37596 on receiver and stock - scope is APX L806 SOM No11677. He states picked up the scope/mount/booklet/eyepiece all with the case. He bought the rifle from someone else who claimed it was a VN bringback. (no paperwork of course)

The other rig I posted has a light brown leather scope/mount case.

Hope this helps.

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kelt
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France
2315 Posts
Posted - 03/23/2005 : 12:11:33 PM
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Mas 49
# F 14970 (horizontal), barrel Mas-1953, grenade launcher, parkerized, condition new, no refurbishing stamp, stock & forend walnut.

Mas49-56
# G 21709 (vertical), barrel Mas-1971, refurbished 1971, transformed MSE 1975.
# G 50773 (vertical), barrel Mas-1966, refurbished 1970.
# H 73907 (vertical), barrel Mas-1991, (cal 7.08) no refurbishing stamp.

All three 49-56 are parkerized, and with flash hider.

logging of barrel date and refurbishing stamp can help to assess rifle past: my G21709 has a barrel dated 71 and refurb stamp 71, as G50773 has a barrel dated 66, it means that G21709 was rebarreled in 71.


kelt

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Mogollon
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111 Posts
Posted - 03/24/2005 : 3:11:06 PM
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MAS49-56
Serial number is G 57767, vertical on receiver.
2 rebuild marks, [P72] and [P85]
Has muzzle break

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S-2C
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51 Posts
Posted - 03/25/2005 : 12:15:34 AM
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Here are mine:

MAS 44:
F63X black enamel
F143X black enamel

MAS 49 (French):
F193XX w/grenade launcher

MAS 49 (Syrian):
F378XX

MAS 49/56:
G350XX P63
G525XX not refurbished
G880XX not refurbished - like new - AR crown
H088XX modified MSE

MAS .223 (FAMAS):
SA 0001XB



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GTP Super
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Posted - 03/25/2005 : 08:20:09 AM
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MAS 49/56 with Serial # G2778 (vertical) with muzzle brake and grenade launcher. The finish is dark Park. There is a "P76" in a box next to the serial #.
What is the significance of the horizontal vs. vertical serial # and what is the # in the box?
Thanks,
GTP Super


vonmazur
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USA
1762 Posts
Posted - 03/25/2005 : 12:02:41 PM
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Sometime in the early 50's, circa 1953, the MAS authorities began to stamp the number on the receiver vertically instead of horizontally. I believe that all of the 49-56 rifles were stamped vertically, unless an early 49 receiver was used to build a 49-56.

Dale in Ala

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kelt
Gunboards.Com Gold Star Member



France
2315 Posts
Posted - 03/25/2005 : 12:27:26 PM
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It would be very handy to update your data by adding the barrel date, to be found under the hand guard and log in as well the refurbishing stamps.

kelt


TuscoTodd
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USA
1224 Posts
Posted - 03/25/2005 : 4:32:59 PM
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Here is what I have on my end:
Model 1949/56
G71040 vertical, flash hider, barrel date MAS-1960-MFt - no rearsenal
G44475 vertical, flash hider, barrel date MAS-1966-SE-h - rearsenal P67
H06596 vertical, flash hider, barrel date MAS-1961-AUb - no rearsenal
G87246 vertical, flash hider, barrel date MAS-1982-LMNi - rearsenal P88 & P92
H23379 vertical, flash hider, barrel date MAS-1981-LMNi - rearsenal P85
Model 49/56 - converted to 7.62 / .308
G40673 vertical, flash hider, barrel date MAS-1978-MFn - rearsenal P83



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Buddy
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313 Posts
Posted - 03/25/2005 : 9:32:08 PM
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Here are some additional MAS Serial Numbers....Updated 5/06/06

MAS44 F 1080 Black Painted
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/French_MAS/MAS_44_F1080.jpg

MAS44 F 1240 Black Painted
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/French_MAS/MAS_44_F1240.jpg

MAS44 F 1680 Black Painted
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/French_MAS/MAS_44_F1618.jpg

MAS44 F 3250 Parkerized
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/French_MAS/MAS_44_F3250.jpg

MAS44 F 3418
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/French_MAS/MAS_44_F3418.jpg

MAS44 F 3474 Parkerized
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/French_MAS/MAS_44_F3474.jpg

MAS44 F 3879 Parkerized
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/French_MAS/MAS_44_F3879.jpg

MAS44 F 5895 Parkerized
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/French_MAS/MAS_44_F5895.jpg

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MAS 49 F 3879
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/French_MAS/MAS_44_F3879.jpg

MAS 49 F 24879
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/French_MAS/MAS_49_F24879.jpg

MAS 49 F 33792
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/French_MAS/MAS_49_F33792.jpg

MAS 49 F 35873
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/French_MAS/MAS_49_F35873.jpg

MAS 49 F 36375
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/French_MAS/MAS_49_F36375.jpg

MAS 49 F 37269
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/French_MAS/MAS_49_F37269.jpg

MAS 49 F 38360
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/French_MAS/MAS_49_F38360.jpg

MAS 49 F 56014
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/French_MAS/MAS_49_F56014.jpg

MAS 49 F 75197 ....Note Vertical Number ..like 49/56's
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/French_MAS/MAS_49_F75197.jpg
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VERY RARE 7.62N [7.62x51 NATO] caliber No219
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/French_MAS/MAS_4956_7.62NatoSm.jpg
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MAS 49/56 G 2457 P72
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/French_MAS/MAS_4956_G2457.jpg

MAS 49/56 G 12875
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/French_MAS/MAS_4956_G12875.jpg

MAS 49/56 G 14018 P84
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/French_MAS/MAS_4956_G14018.jpg

MAS 49/56 G 15939 Converted .308 P78
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/French_MAS/MAS_4956_G15939.jpg

MAS 49/45 G 17424 P81
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/French_MAS/MAS_4956_G17424.jpg

MAS 49/56 G 18962 P78
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/French_MAS/MAS_4956_G18962.jpg

MAS 49/56 G 20380 Converted to .308 P67
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/French_MAS/MAS_4956_G20380.jpg

MAS 49/56 G 23748 This MAS has the Early Open Slot Flash Hider
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/French_MAS/MAS_4956_G23748.jpg
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/French_MAS/MAS_4956FlashHiderA.jpg

MAS 49/56 G 28093
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/French_MAS/MAS_4956_G28093.jpg

MAS 49/56 G 30507 P78
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/French_MAS/MAS_4956_G30507.jpg

MAS 49/56 G 32838 P82
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/French_MAS/MAS_4956_G32838.jpg

MAS 49/56 G 35061
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/French_MAS/MAS_4956_G35061.jpg

MAS 49/56 G 36553 Restamp 7.62 .308
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/French_MAS/MAS_4956_G36553.jpg

MAS 49/56 G 37329 P87
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/French_MAS/MAS_4956_G37329.jpg

MAS 49/56 G 37417 Converted to .308 P76
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/French_MAS/MAS_4956_G37417.jpg

MAS 49/56 G 39707 P78
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/French_MAS/MAS_4956_G39707.jpg

MAS 49/56 G 42134 Converted to .308
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/French_MAS/MAS_4956_G42134.jpg

MAS 49/56 G 42172 P76
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/French_MAS/MAS_4956_G42172.jpg

MAS 49/56 G 42957
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/French_MAS/MAS_4956_G42957.jpg

MAS 49/56 G 45641
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/French_MAS/MAS_4956_G45641.jpg

MAS 49/56 G 48880
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/French_MAS/MAS_4956_G48880.jpg

MAS 49/56 G 51825 Converted to .308
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/French_MAS/MAS_4956_G51825.jpg

MAS 49/56 G 54680 P85
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/French_MAS/MAS_4956_G54680.jpg

MAS 49/56 G 55498
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/French_MAS/MAS_4956_G55498.jpg

MAS 49/56 G 63569
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/French_MAS/MAS_4956_G63569.jpg

MAS 49/56 G 65761 P86
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/French_MAS/MAS_4956_G65761.jpg

MAS 49/56 G 79772
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/French_MAS/MAS_4956_G79772.jpg

MAS 49/56 G 86713 Converted to .308 P81
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/French_MAS/MAS_4956_G86713.jpg

MAS 49/56 G 90072 P70 P84
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/French_MAS/MAS_4956_G90073.jpg

MAS 49/56 G 91372
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/French_MAS/MAS_4956_G91372.jpg
Closeup Serial Number >> http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/French_MAS/MAS_4956_G91372_A.jpg

MAS 49/56 G 93473 P70 P75
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/French_MAS/MAS_4956_G93473.jpg

MAS 49/56 H 11387 Converted to .308
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/French_MAS/MAS_4956_H11387.jpg

MAS 49/56 H42029
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/French_MAS/MAS_4956_H42029.jpg

MAS 49/56 H 44441 ....Note markings on Mag....
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/French_MAS/MAS_4956_H44441.jpg

MAS 49/56 H 71736
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/French_MAS/MAS_4956_H71736.jpg

MAS 49/56 H 73659
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/French_MAS/MAS_4956_H73659.jpg

MAS 49/56 H 80915 P74
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/French_MAS/MAS_4956_H80915.jpg



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mawkie
Gunboards Premium Member



USA
237 Posts
Posted - 03/26/2005 : 7:39:20 PM
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Here's mine to throw into the mix!
MAS 49 - No GL - F32360 - Barrel marked MAS 1962 - SEB
MAS 49 Syrian - F37477 - Barrel marked MAS 1953 - FYc
MAS 49/56 - Muzzle break - Vert. SN G9282 - Barrel marked MAS-1958 - SEb
Mark

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DMinFla
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300 Posts
Posted - 03/26/2005 : 9:28:08 PM
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Thanks every one for the info on your rifles so far .DMinFla

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Railhead
Starting Member



5 Posts
Posted - 03/26/2005 : 9:32:42 PM
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MAS 49/56
Ser#G15465, barrel MAS1976 LMNu,-rearsenal P78,Narrow front sight base.

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Edited by - Railhead on 05/09/2005 7:16:21 PM


Brad70
Gunboards Super Premium Member



USA
289 Posts
Posted - 03/28/2005 : 5:07:37 PM
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Mas 49/56
ser# G26698, vertical serial #, and open flash hider, barrel MAS 1960 Mft, rearsenal P72


mndale
Gunboards Super Premium Member



259 Posts
Posted - 04/04/2005 : 10:12:38 PM
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MAS 49-GL-Bayonet-F33642-Barrel-MAS-1953-FY-Parkerized

MAS 49/56-Flash Hider-Vertical-H06304-Rebuild P82
Barrel-MAS-1975-LMNg-Parkerized

MAS 49/56-Flash Hider-Vertical-G13724
Barrel-MAS-1972-CSJ-Parkerized-(.308)


DMinFla
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300 Posts
Posted - 04/05/2005 : 8:03:16 PM
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Thanks for all the new numbers guys.DMinFla

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sangle
Gunboards Premium Member



USA
108 Posts
Posted - 04/08/2005 : 5:58:12 PM
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Sangle's MAS 49/56 info
Serial Number : H1781*, stamped vertically
Type 2 flash hidder
Barrel date: MAS 1962 MFf
Rearsenal stamp: P71


mobeachboy
Gunboards.Com Silver Star Member



USA
837 Posts
Posted - 04/12/2005 : 11:29:25 AM
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MAS 49/56 Currently black painted 7.5 being converted to
308. Still has launcher and sites .

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mauserdad
Gunboards.Com Gold Star Member



USA
2983 Posts
Posted - 04/12/2005 : 4:04:58 PM
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Mas 1944,Ser#F3474,Bolt and Bolt Carrier forced matched.Trigger assem.forearm and bayonet do not match.Rifle appears to have been through a rebuild.Exterior and bore are Excellent.Metal is parakarized.

Mas 49 Syrian,Ser# F38725

Mas 49/56 Vert,Ser# G87009,muzzle brake.

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falo308
Gunboards Premium Member



140 Posts
Posted - 05/04/2005 : 4:06:36 PM
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I have a Syrian Mle 1949 serial #f 33792
and a Mle 49-56 serial #G 50247 that is stamped vertical also P71, P88, and P92


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DMinFla
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300 Posts
Posted - 05/04/2005 : 6:13:21 PM
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quote:
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Originally posted by falo308

I have a Syrian Mle 1949 serial #f 33792
and a Mle 49-56 serial #G 50247 that is stamped vertical also P71, P88, and P92


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Thanks for the info on your rifle i have added it to my list.DMinFla

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Michael Jon Littman
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USA
4378 Posts
Posted - 05/06/2005 : 8:54:14 PM
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MAS 1949/56 rifles
Ser# H07513
Does it have a open flash hider or a muzzle break on it: Flash Hider
Is the Ser# vertical or horizontal: Vertical

Two rebuild markings:p77 P86
Phosphated finish


vis35
Gunboards Super Premium Member



540 Posts
Posted - 05/12/2005 : 01:07:28 AM
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DMinFla was naughty, luring me in here from my usual haunt, the Japanese forum….

My MAS 49/56 is serial G51369 stamped vertical, has the flash hider, wide front sight base and rebuild mark “P75”. It is in un-issued condition and I have the scope for it as well, I bought that some time after I purchased the rifle. I would like to shoot it more but do not for lack of non-corrosive ammo. It fired three shot bursts (slamfires) with my handloads.

I also have a MAS36 bolt action that is a Viet-Nam bringback if anyone is interested in data from it. We often wish that our guns could actually tell us stories of where they have been, but I have always thought that this one’s stories would not be very nice.
Regards from Alaska,
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fg42
Gunboards Premium Member



USA
131 Posts
Posted - 05/16/2005 : 02:09:42 AM
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As per your request on the Japanese Forum I have 2 Mas49-56s, No 1 is G7459 vertical cal 7.5 It is mint. # 2 G3656 vertical cal 7,62 marked 308 below this. It is abou 90% Both have flash hiders. I hope this helps. Bob Benson

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DMinFla
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Posted - 05/17/2005 : 5:08:06 PM
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Thanks for your info on your rifles so far i have gotten info on 21 44's,25 French 49 rifles,15 Syrian 49 rifles and 49 49/56 rifles.DMinFla

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M240G
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USA
2708 Posts
Posted - 06/09/2005 : 5:44:19 PM
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Here's one more rifle you can add to your data

MAS 1949/56
Ser#G59656
Muzzle break
Vertical

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DMinFla
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Posted - 06/09/2005 : 6:05:37 PM
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I got it thanks for your info.DMinFla

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moulainville
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USA
211 Posts
Posted - 06/13/2005 : 10:43:22 PM
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These are some, but not all of the ones that I have.

MAS 44 F48x Black Enamel

MAS 49 French Model

F803x Grenade Launcher, Stock cartouche of 1951 MAI, with canvas sling and First model APX 806 scope, with a serial# of SOM 62. This type has a straight vertical base, quite like the G43 mount. I've had it since the middle 80's.

F2364x Grenade launcher, Stock Cartouche of 1952 Juin.
F2415x Grenade Launcher, New Stock, this one is from AIM.

MAS 49 Syrian

F3732x Grenade Launcher & Bayonet. Stock Cartouche "looks Like" 1952

MAS 49/56

G458x Vertical # Rebuild P-71 Cal .308 Muzzle Break
G4075x Vertical # Rebuild P-71 " " " "
G1781x Vertical # Rebuild P-70 & P-77 " " " "
H3305x Vertical # No Rebuild Cal. 7.5 " "


MAS-MSE 49/56

H1136x Vertical # Rebuild P-86 Cal. 7.5 Muzzle Break
G3732x Vertical # Rebuild P-67 Cal. 7.5 " "




DMinFla
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Posted - 07/30/2005 : 7:46:43 PM
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They have been added to the list thanks.DMinFla

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DaSwede
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475 Posts
Posted - 08/03/2005 : 8:19:02 PM
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MAS 1944
Serial 3879
parkerized


Emir of Schmoe
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Canada
366 Posts
Posted - 08/12/2005 : 6:21:29 PM
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MAS 44
S/N F477X
Parkerised.


Big Brother John
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USA
135 Posts
Posted - 08/20/2005 : 02:46:24 AM
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Mas 49/56
flash hider
parkerized
Re-arsenaled
Serial No. H 38445
Vertical


Tom-M
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USA
558 Posts
Posted - 09/13/2005 : 10:42:51 PM
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I have 3 rifles for survey.

MAS M1949, Syrian contract - SN# F37383
Grenade launcher, bayonet, stock cartouched "Juin, MA, 1953"
Externally all matching (stock, handguard, bayonet, etc), but has cover for 38954, bolt for F37181, bolt carrier for 33473.

Did they import these disassembled? Rifle is in excellent condition, and can only guess as to reason for internasl parts not matching.

MAS 49/56 - SN# G21794
Vertical SN#, type 2 flash hider

MAS 49/56 - SN# G97608
Vertical SN, type 2 flash hider
Has "P81" also on receiver - is this a rebuild marking?????

Thanks - Tom


Buddy
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313 Posts
Posted - 09/14/2005 : 7:16:27 PM
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Markings from a 7.62N caliber 49/56....

Buddy



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ketoujin
Gunboards Premium Member



USA
201 Posts
Posted - 09/23/2005 : 03:38:37 AM
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Hi,
MAS 49/56 dark parkerized. Serial number G 98038. P66 before serial number. Eleven hole muzzle brake.

Thanks,
Gunnar

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ketoujin
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USA
201 Posts
Posted - 09/23/2005 : 03:39:40 AM
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quote:
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Originally posted by ketoujin

Hi,
MAS 49/56 dark parkerized. Vertical serial number G 98038. P66 before serial number. Twenty-two hole muzzle brake.

Thanks,
Gunnar

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MUD669
Starting Member



USA
1 Posts
Posted - 10/31/2005 : 7:40:00 PM
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mas mle 1949-56
serial #vertical g64094
refubish p69
cal 7.62 then stamp under that ids .308 cal
22 hole muzzle brake
granade launcher and sight
has a internal safety
barell# 18465
top of barell where it goes in to reciever is a flat spot it has r5s
barell date i think is mas1976 LMNp like that
on the side of the reciever where the scope rail is it says cali st alb vt ts
it shoot five inch groups at a hunderd yards.


car
Gunboards Member



USA
33 Posts
Posted - 12/04/2005 : 08:09:34 AM
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MAS Mle 1949-56
Serial Number Vertical G38442
Barrel Number Under Grenade Sight 47075
Late Style Trigger Assembly
Refubished P91
Cal 7.5 French
Grey/Green Parkerized Finish
Late Style 22 Hole Flash Hider


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Edited by - car on 12/04/2005 08:22:58 AM


Edmond
Gunboards.Com Silver Star Member



France
635 Posts
Posted - 12/22/2005 : 5:26:25 PM
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quote:
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Originally posted by Buddy

Markings from a 7.62N caliber 49/56....

Buddy



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Buddy, did you buy this one from a guy working at GIAT ALM ? ( Western France, Le Mans, ammo factory)

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bluenorther
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1 Posts
Posted - 12/23/2005 : 01:11:45 AM
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Hey!- New to this board, but not to firearms. Presently I own one 49/56 (7.5) did own a Century .308 conversion but traded it away.

My rifle is in like new condition (rearsenaled 1992) it is very dark parked, and came with all the standard goodies, bayonet, night sight, cleaning equipment, sling, etc.

I have never had any interest in French Firearms. I bought the rifle because I knew enough about the design to know that much of what you read is false- related to Century conversions, etc. The 49/56 is the surplus auto loader deal of the decade. You cannot find anything comparable in such fine condition, and I appreciate when condition and function are both flawless- the rifle has not disappointed me in either.

The serial number is G16215 (best I can make out) It shows rearsenaled stamps for 1977 and 1992. The wood is perfect and very pleasant looking. there are no marks on the metal, and only a couple on the finish, which are very small. The slip on butt pad is marked 1962. I cleaned the gas tube very well, never had a single problem with this rifle- but I did with the Century conversion (Yes, I know).

I have cleaned it very thoroughly, to include the wood, and have shot it extensivley over the past two years. It functions wonderfully with Frontier Brass, Nosler BTip 150s over IMR 4895 (dont have my table here for gr). It's a doll to shoot, dont like the front sight but thats just how it is- and I can still hit what I'm aiming at. I had some trouble at first with soft point bullets not feeding well, hence the Btips.

I guess its just me, but so many people complain that this rifle is ugly. I rather like the looks of it to be honest.


Tembo
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Nice rifle Buddy, to say the least! No Century conversions needed.

A guy I run into regularly at gun shows here in Northern California claims to have a MAS 44"A". Have any of these turned up anywhere else, or any other 7.62Ns for that matter? Both must be very rare.

DM,
Here is another MAS44 for your survey:
Serial Number F5991 and it's parkerized




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BT3
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Posted - 01/20/2006 : 1:23:32 PM
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Mas Mle 1944--F 5008---Butt stock and fore stock has matching #'s--C or G stamped on barrel--leather sling--barrel band looks like black paint--rest looks parkerized

Mas Mle 1949--F 24879--P66 in block on receiver--parkerized--extras that came with rifle

Mas Mle 49-56--G 39325--verticle--P74 in box (receiver)--barrel has different ser#--extra stuff came with rifle (clean kit,pouches,night sights Etc..)

Email if any questions or need more info

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DMinFla
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Posted - 05/06/2006 : 9:01:35 PM
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I have added your numbers to my list thanks.DMinFla

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monsternav
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Posted - 07/05/2006 : 1:28:39 PM
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MAS Mle 1946-56
H29864 - vertical
P85 re-arsenal stamp
Parked
Muzzel Brake (?) One group of holes on either side. 4-3-4. 4 closest to the barrel are angled towards the muzzle end of the gun (away from the operator).
You didn't ask, but the scope has APX L. 806 on a shield type emblem, and OPL No. 1.675 below that


DMinFla
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Hi there i got your info thanks.DMinFla

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marysdad
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M1949 Syrian contract: F39005, barrel dated 1953.
M1949/56: G57443, barrel dated 1976 (no longer have this one, but did at one time).

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wingback43
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Posted - 09/08/2006 : 1:10:39 PM
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Here is another for you:
MAS 1949/56
Ser#H04647
Muzzle break
Vertical


CDB
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Mine:
MAS 49/56 caliber 7.62 mm, serial #G 47659 (vertical), P72 stamp to the right of serial number, 7.5 over-stamped with a 6 over the 5 and a 2 added for 7.62, 308 stamped under 7.62. Eleven hole per side muzzle brake. Finish dark grey. CB over T on bolt. Sorry for the late post I just found this forum.

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I would like to kick this survey to the top along with some news about the person who began it.

Dan Mayfield, known here as DMinFL died in July of a heart attack at age 43. He began the work of collecting serial numbers for MAS semi auto rifles and I feel that work ought to go on. Please keep this thread alive with your continual contributions of serial numbers. I will attempt to restart the same thread at Parallax Bill's Place.


obsessed
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Michael, very sorry to hear about Dan, my sympathies to his family. Heart problems seem to be prevalent around me lately.
I bought this about five years ago. The local pawn was nice enough to order from SOG for me. I have kept it in the box and all accessories are still as packed. I always felt it was too ugly to take anywhere. So I've never fired it. The bolt and all parts look as new to me. I tried to find an arsenal mark for rebuild status, but don't see anything other than the AR with an S under it on the front left of the receiver, just visible in the pics. Serial H 30537

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Posted - 10/25/2006 : 9:21:00 PM
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Originally posted by Michael Jon Littman

I would like to kick this survey to the top along with some news about the person who began it.

Dan Mayfield, known here as DMinFL died in July of a heart attack at age 43. He began the work of collecting serial numbers for MAS semi auto rifles and I feel that work ought to go on. Please keep this thread alive with your continual contributions of serial numbers. I will attempt to restart the same thread at Parallax Bill's Place.

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Want to add my serial # for MAS Mle 1949-56 CAL. 7,62 .308

G 92132 P82
I would like to know more about this rifle.



McAuslan
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Posted - 11/27/2006 : 10:47:55 PM
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A late addition to the survey. MAS 49/56. Parkerized -- finish similar to that of Obsessed's rifle, pictured above. Vertical serial number G 11504. P66. Barrel number under grenade sight 76858. Flash hider.

I tip my cap to Dan Mayfield.

McAuslan


The Stone Master
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USA
160 Posts
Posted - 12/22/2006 : 6:59:29 PM
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Syrian MAS 49
Ser.: F32938 (receiver, stock and trigger guard)
Cartouche reads 1953

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galilman121
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USA
12 Posts
Posted - 12/30/2006 : 12:52:42 AM
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I have a MAS 49/56 with the follwing features:

Muzzle break
Parkerized finish (green)
Vertical serial # H2489* (last digit edited for the board)
[P77] stamped into left side of receiver under rifles designation


Moe
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Posted - 02/13/2007 : 10:10:23 AM
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Here ya go.
MAS 49 non export,grenade launching sight, parkerized
serial #F 70114 vertical
P72 rebuild mark
MAS 49/56 parkerized,type 2 flash hider
serial #G 67922 vertical
no rebuild mark that is visable
MAS 49/56 parkerized,type 2 flash hider
serial # G 38103 vertical
P66 rebuild mark

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Super_Sockmonkey
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USA
117 Posts
Posted - 03/19/2007 : 05:07:03 AM
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I would like to add my MAS 49/56

Ser# G47861 it is vertical
Parkerized a gray/black color
Rebuild stamp [P82]


The Stone Master
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USA
160 Posts
Posted - 05/24/2007 : 09:35:17 AM
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MAS 49 Syria import rifles
Ser# F329xx


MAS 49/56 rifles
Ser# G 160xx
Has the 1963 type muzzle break
Is the ser# vertical or horizontal: vertical



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wayne in boca
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MAS 49/56 ,dark parkerized,muzzle brake with 22 holes.Serial number G 19309,vertical.

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Alamas
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Posted - 07/12/2007 : 12:22:58 PM
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hi,
somme serial numbers of MAS 49 and 49-56 I have met these past years:
F15569 - MAS 49 - Octobre 1951 on the stock rundel- barrel of 1951.
Bolt and rear sight replaced by spare parts of a MAS 49-56. Last assignation : BT (a Gendarmerie unit) of Carentan. Neutralized weapon.
F4975X - MAS 49 - 1955 on the barrel. Neutralized weapon.
F7774X - MAS 49 - August 1957 (stock rundel). Neutralized weapon. Like never been used.
F7776X - MAS 49 - August 1957 (stock rundel). Neutralized weapon. Like never been used.
G2713X - MAS 49-56 - P73, barrel of 1971.
H1543X - MAS 49-56 - Modified in "civilian" caliber.
It has been written in "la gazette des armes" and repeated by J. HUON that the MAS 49-56 has been produced between 1957 and 1978 for a total of 275240 units : 100 000 of the F serie, 100 000 of the G serie and 75 240 of the H serie. I have some doubts for the 100 000 units of the F serie. I have never seen a MAS 49-56 of the F serie, on any website. As you can see, somme MAS 49 were still produced in august 1947, and we know a MAS 49-56 of 1958, serial number G9282. Despite the events in Algeria, it was a time of peace. And I have doubts about a production of 100 000 MAS 49-56 in less than a year at the MAS in time of peace.
Does anyone have seen a MAS 49-56 with a serial number under F7776X?
Best regards
Alamas


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I just got me a nice example of a 49/56

MAS 1949/56 rifles
Ser# G5463
It has a muzzle device (flash hider?) w/lots of holes drilled in it...not sure!
Ser# is vertical
 

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Congratulations on getting a neat rifle at a very nice price. If I didn't have one I would be jealous. Since I do I can be sincere.....
 

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Hello all, I just noticed that my original post had been stickied to the top of the page. Since I've finally got around to learning how to post pictures online (or atleast this website anyways), I thought I'd go ahead and post some pictures of my MAS. If anybody would like more pictures, or pictures of specifics parts please, by all means, just let me know and I'll do my best to get them up. I've had this rifle to the range on two separate occasions and it functioned flawlessly. I've put 40 rounds of the PrviPartizan 139 gr. FMJ through the weapon and had complete reliability and no slamfires. If I remember correctly, accuracy ran about 3 1/2" to 4 1/2" off the 100 yard bench. I plan on doing more accuracy testing with this, as well as my 36/51, in the spring when the temperature warms up some! This gun is a blast to shoot, my only compliant being the trigger pull is heavy and the front sight blade is way to wide in my opinion. Also, I'll mention that the front sight blade on my rifle has been painted red. I mention this as I didn't know if anybody else has a Syrian MAS with a red painted front sight or not. Not real sure if some Syrian soldier with bad eyes did this, or some American with bad eyes did it? Anyway, I hope everyone enjoys the pictures!
 

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MAS 49 french no GL horz # 15224 not sure on barrel could not get handguard off as this rifle looks unfired.not 1 scratch until I tried to remove the HG it's stuck,very pissed am I! this rifle was imported by CAI it now has cheekpiece and scope but I need a tool for it.Richard
 

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49/56 Survey Input

49/56
Vertical s/n H12187
Beech buttstock and handguard, ?oak? forestock (definitely not beech)
Slip-on buttpad "1951"
 

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I'll add my collection

MAS49/56 Vertical s/n H11632, Parkerized, Flash Hider, Looks unfired - accessories still in bubble packs (bayonet, sling, tool kit, 4 mags, oil bottle)

MAS44 s/n F4184, Parkerized, all numbers match, Very Nice

Questions - How rare are the MAS44 ? How many made? How many left?
 

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I had the MAS 49/56 N° 213 in 7.62 NATO. I sold it in 1989 because my quota of firearm certificates was reached and I bought a Delta H BAR AR 15....
 

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My MAS 1944

Just purchased F 4077 (as was pointed out its a number made famous by the TV series M*A*S*H*!)

Dark gray parkerizing. All numbers match. Excellent original condition. G is marked on the front of the barrel. I have not taken the handguard off to see the date. Super nice rifle - can't wait to shoot her!

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two more to add! One is an MSE!

I have two Mas 49/56:


MAS 46/56: 1974 rebuild date, parkerized, (pristine), S/N H 0734(X),

MAS 49/56 MSE: 1968 Rebuild date, 1968 date on Barrel, Parkerized, excellent shape, S/N G 5210(X) M (Vertical), Serial Number also on trigger guard, Deep target crown on Muzzle, (hidden by the muzzle brake /flash hider). MSE Pistol grip stock and cheekpiece. (Was once in the private collection an employee (now deceased) of Century International- the importer)
 

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Buddy ,here is another for the survey.

MAS Mle 1949-56 Century converted to 7.62/.308 .Serial # is H 149XX . P77 .Barrrel # MAS 1971-CSH with an A in a square overstamped with a 2.There is another number on the barrel in front of the gas-block of 41572. Hope this helps. Russ
 

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I just purchased a Syrian MAS 49 from a local dealer. Mine also has red paint on the front sight post. It also has all matching numbers except the bolt as well.
 

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I have a Syrian MAS 49 serial F-39285

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MAS Mle 1949-56 Century import in 7.5. SN G928XX w/ 12205 on the barrel forward of gas block. P78.
 

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My new to me 49/56, Vertical G 74725, 26336 under grenade sight on barrel, haven't seen under the handguard yet. Threaded barrel w/flash hider, parkerized (85% remaining), re-arsenaled P76 in the box. Nice looking wood not sure what it is...don't think it's beech but not sure how to tell. Tiny CAI import stamp on receiver. Packed in a box that had an old SOG packing slip...must be from SOG years ago! No accessories just 1 mag. Appears to have the front band electro penciled with H21912 and H10875. Looks to me to be a mixmaster?
 
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