Found a matching Turk 1893 - Photos Added

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bones92

Discussion Starter · Mar 22, 2012 (Edited)

After many years of keeping an eye out for any matching-bolt Turk, I found an 1893 in original straight stock (still has the block on the right where the cutoff would have been housed). The bolt serial matches (all 5 digits) the serial on the bridge and the rear sight leaf and slide.

I can't recall seeing too many matching 1893's posted on the forums over the years.

Photos added here. What do you make of the "93" stamped on the receiver ring?

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Richard in NY*

· #2 · Mar 22, 2012

Congrats. Sounds like a nice piece. And you are correct, Turk Mausers, not just the 93, are seldom found with matching numbers.

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MMoney

· #3 · Mar 23, 2012

Good thing I kept a spare case of Czech silver tip for trade fodder. Unless you'd prefer some 8x56R, Earl. Glad to see you finding some worthwhile goodies in what little spare time you have left. You can leave it here with me if you don't have room in storage.

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jjk308 In Memoriam RIP

· #4 · Mar 23, 2012

Apparently an unusual number of the early rework 1893 Turks with the original straight stocks have matching numbers as I acquired several of them, including #79, #123 and a tiger striped no. #735 which I still have, dated (rework) 1932

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Austin

· #5 · Mar 23, 2012

Very nice stock !

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painterjohn

· #6 · Mar 26, 2012

Still looking for the 1893 with original stock..just got one with a pistol grip matching a couple monts ago..I have been darn lucky finding matching bolts Turks as I have K.Kale, 1893 W/ pistol grip, 98/22, (2) 1903, (2) Gew98 refurbed to M38, Gew 88, ATF '54 and my one of a kind "S" rifle...As others said a matching bolt is like a needle in a haystack but I concur with jjk308, The 1893 does seem to be the most commonly found matching bolt..but of course was the hardest for me to actually find when not broke ; )

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DocAV

· #7 · Mar 26, 2012

Just to put a finer point on your rifle, you have a Matching M1893/33 ASFA Refurbish, NOT a "AMN M1893"...all original 1893s were in 7,65mm; the 93/33 is in 7,9mm.

But as said, any "Matching Numbers" Turk in either original or ASFA refurbish condition is a rarity, due to various organisational reasons.

Nice find, shoot with care ( Reloads, cast loads, Romo LPS or downloaded ( 80%) Turk Military ammo. Receivers are now at least 110 years old.( and are Two lug, no bolt-gas-shield type.).

Regards,
Doc AV

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JPS

· #8 · Mar 26, 2012

Hello Gents,

Agreed Doc. I also have a matching reworked M93/33, while the original M93 chambered for the 7.65x53mm cartridge with the magazine cut-off intact has eluded me. I've come across two for sale over the years, both of them in OZ. The problem with both rifles was the asking price for what were most likely Gallipoli or Mesopotamia bring backs. In light of the absolutely butchered diagonal duffel cuts in the stocks I passed on both based on the asking price!

Being 7/8ths Irish I should qualify for Australian citizenship and I know we are a stubborn thick-headed lot, but that still doesn't explain to me why ANZAC soldiers couldn't figure out that the stock could be cut UNDER THE BARREL BAND!!???

Alas, I passed on both and would still regret it to this day were it not for the absolutely butchered stocks on those otherwise beautiful, completely original rifles.

Otherwise happy for you Bones! However, per jjk's comment, for whatever reason, there appear to be more matching M93/33s around than the rest of the Turkish reworks? My guess is that it had more to do with the importation of the particular lot of rifles than with Turkish military practice?

Warmest regards,

JPS

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bones92

Discussion Starter · #9 · Mar 26, 2012

Photos added.

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painterjohn

· #10 · Mar 26, 2012

Nice!...I like the wood patch to the aft of the Mag cut off box..that is where they (the orig. stocks) always cracked..looks like a good solid repair that fixed the problem..is the grain of the patch running opposite to the grain of the stock?..Also note a very nice bolt face, if the bore matches that face it should look pretty darn nice.

Good one Bones, nice catch : )

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tplan

· #11 · Mar 27, 2012

bones92 said:
What do you make of the "93" stamped on the receiver ring?

Don't know, except to say I've seen other numbers in the same position on these through the years. I have an unconverted 93, with the original serial on the right side of the ring, with '888' where your 93 is. Nice rifle you got there.

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painterjohn

· #12 · Mar 27, 2012

The 93 is a common reciever marking there on the 93 refurbs..pretty sure its meant as 1893 to help folks at the armory distinguish..

My pet theory for why the matched bolts are most common on the 1893 is that they were "Rotated" stock..less likely to be used for anything involving shooting and so most likely to remain stored with the bolt..Just a guess but if you had enough of something you would likely train with the newer model...If the group had a mix of models you would have a bit of confusion on teaching bolt dissasembly for one thing

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bones92

Discussion Starter · #13 · Mar 27, 2012

I also wonder if it had a lot to do with the bolt design, the 1893 have the less common flat-bottom bolt face. That alone would cause them to be more cautious about keeping bolts with rifles. That's just my guess.

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jjk308 In Memoriam RIP

· #14 · Mar 27, 2012

My guess is they were just more careful when the rework program started, and this peculiar western custom of matching bolts was later discarded.
As an aside, I've tried to fix headspace problems in a few 93s by bolt swapping with no success. The bolts were all very close to identical, the handle stopping on the headspace guage at the same angle regardless of the bolt tried in that rifle. The bolts are extremely hard, and all the wear seemed to be in the receiver lug recesses.

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