[Poot]

Quick question for you guys:
Are your receivers 1940 Tula stamped? If not, are they 1940 Izhevsk stamped? Here's what I'm getting at...If a decent number are Izhevsk marked, it might fill out the story of the '41 Tula 91/30s a bit. For example, it would be interesting to know if the slowdown in Tula 91/30 production began earlier, in favor of SVTs, Maxims, Nagant revolvers, etc. that we already know about.

Thanks in advance for your input-
Pat

 

[Joop]

Hi, Poot.

I have two. One is an ex-PEM. Both have '40 Tula tang stamps and neither show any evidence of the tangs having been scrubbed or over-struck.

John

 

[SpeedmanRC]

my one M91/30 Tula 1940 has a star and 40 on the tang.

 

[Hlavinka]

I have one that has a '39 Tula receiver. I guess it doesn't help as I assume
you're looking at the late '40 period.

 

[orcmastiffs]

Poot:

Two 'star 40's, both Finn fiddles, but one with all of the parts star marked and numbers matching, in an Ishevsk dragoon stock. The other is a shotout eclecticism.

Of more conjecture than substance, quite some time ago we had one that a customer attempted to return because the receiver was marked '40' and the barrel was marked 1941. At the time I had no idea that Mosins could be any more than table/rack litter, so they were all priced the same, with slight consideration as to matching numbers or condition. I thought that the receiver date was a red herring because what he tried to return had been 'parts-pirated'. So the question might be, "are there other such rifles and what is the frequence of their occurrance"?

 

[Poot]

Thanks, gentlemen.

It's not a big enough sample, but so far it sounds like the change over happened in 1941 and not earlier. My current best guess is that the '41 Tulas were made up of originally 1940 dated barrels (hence the odd looking final digit) mated up with Izhevsk receivers and getting final assembly at Izhevsk.

Pat

 

[rocker98]

I have one Tula 1940 dated barrel, receiver, and stock. DDR marked.

 

[bananas]

My '40 Tula matches the tang, though it is an ex-PEM

 

[Hlavinka]

Thanks, gentlemen.

It's not a big enough sample, but so far it sounds like the change over happened in 1941 and not earlier. My current best guess is that the '41 Tulas were made up of originally 1940 dated barrels (hence the odd looking final digit) mated up with Izhevsk receivers and getting final assembly at Izhevsk.

Pat

Sounds like the best explanation to me.

 

[TuLa MaN]

I have one

 

[Ken in Iowa]

my one M91/30 Tula 1940 has a star and 40 on the tang.

Same here

 

[HillgerRomak84]

my one M91/30 Tula 1940 has a star and 40 on the tang.

Same with mine as well. My '42 Tula has a '42 and star on its tang. Wish I could say I had a '41.

 

[azdoug]

Both of mine are 1940 Tula receivers.

 

[Poot]

It's almost like this happened with the beginning of the year 1941. Again, the reported results form WAY too small a sample, but I think a suggestion of the trend can be gleaned from this.

Thanks again for your time-
Pat

 

[m198]

Sorry if this is OT. I'm thinking that if a 1941 Tula receiver does exist, it might be on and early 1942 rifle.
:?

 

[turfmn]

My '40 Tula ex-pem has a '40 Tula receiver.

 

[Dilloduck]

'40 tula stamped on barrel and tang here.

 

[Homer2]

My 1940 has a '40 Tula receiver. My 1941 Tula has an Izhevsk receiver.

My best guess is that Tula stopped making 91/30s in late 1940 and made none at all in 1941. As far as I know, there have been not one '41 Tula found with a '41 Tula receiver, or having the same font in the last digit on the date. Most have '194' the same font, and the '1' is either over stamped on a '0', or else just a different font. I think Tula was probably ordered to concentrate on other weapons like the SVT40 in that year, since '41 Tula SVT40s or 1895 Nagant pistols are not uncommon. When war came in mid 1941, they assembled what they had, but who knows where the 1941 Tulas were actually assembled.

 

[Ol' Relic]

My '40 Tula ex-pem has a '40 Tula receiver.

 

[CRC12]

My 1940 Tula has a 40 Tula receiver, what I find a little odd about the 1940 stamp on the barrel is, the 19 is a slightly smaller text than the 40, and also slightly different font.