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Those of us that live in Florida should call our local "sheriffs" and let them know what we think about the anti 2nd Amendment stance of the "florida sheriffs association"...

"SB-296 Firearms/Mandatory Evacuations
is a bill to allow law-abiding citizens to take their firearms with them when they are complying with a mandatory evacuation order under a declared state of emergency. This bill will keep law-abiding citizens from being arrested and having their firearms confiscated for taking their firearms with them when they evacuate."

"The Florida Sheriffs Association (FSA), while proclaiming their support for the Second Amendment, continues to actively OPPOSE this legislation and your right to bear arms."

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Oh yeah, locally I had heard to hokey pokus, on the west coast pertaining to tsunami tidalwave preparedness(we're due for a big 600 year disaster tsunami), that folks would be "required" to evacuate coastal areas for designated avacuation shelters, like a sports community center and school gymnasium, and of course, there was talk of authorites making sure folks aren't going around with guns, none allowed in shelter, etc. Very popular, that guns might be used to protect oneself against murders and rapists, and thieves who kill when they are refused so them scum need protection as well.

Needless to say, my personal tsunami preparedness entails going to the woods to shoot semi automatic soft point filled .308's and preparing to have numerous twenty rounders kept filled at all times, pistols with plenty of ammo, go to bag of emergency supplies, bought some water jugs at walmart last night I may not use for diesel storage(polyethelene same as diesel and gas cans, etc), just in case someone and their buddies want to eliminate me dead during and after a disaster.

So yeah, my biggest fear aint a natural disaster, but its the knuckleheaded indifferent authoritarian direction towards civiilians afterwards, I mean, I heard an "expert" proclaim that authorities would make sure folks were NOT using unauthorized drugs and that they can "gather" by authority from people in a shelter any extra medicines for the common good like pain medicines, medical supplies, which I guess would negate the two bottles of anti dysentary over the counter medicine I planned on having with me for dysentary from bad conditions or bad water after a disaster, if they have their way.

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That'll be the day I'm "required" to evacuate my home. I don't care what the authorities want, I will not leave my home and leave it open to looting and other forms of thievery. The last place I'd ever consider going in an emergency would be a shelter. I will shelter in place and no one is going to tell me or make me do otherwise.

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just ignore the Association.
Sorry Charlie, but "ignoring" the anti-2nd Amendment minority in this country has resulted in a steady erosion of our Constitutional Right to keep and bear arms...

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It might cost a few sheriffs their next election. Nobody outside of dyed in the wool gun hating Liberals wants to be disarmed in case of a state of emergency. I wouldn't weep if Gaultieri, our current Pinellas County sheriff, lost. He's screwed up a few times but didn't have a strong opponent last election.

SB296 passed the committee after the sheriffs and Natl. Guard testified against it, April 2, by a vote of 5 to 4. I suspect that some Democrats figured the anti-bill testimony would be cover for a no vote.

Here it is as modified.

Florida Senate - 2014 CS for CS for SB 296

By the Committees on Military and Veterans Affairs, Space, and
Domestic Security; and Criminal Justice; and Senator Brandes

583-03575-14 2014296c2
1 A bill to be entitled
2 An act relating to carrying a concealed weapon or a
3 concealed firearm; amending s. 790.01, F.S.; providing
4 an exemption from criminal penalties for carrying a
5 concealed weapon or a concealed firearm while in the
6 act of complying with a mandatory evacuation order
7 during a declared state of emergency; providing an
8 effective date.
10 Be It Enacted by the Legislature of the State of Florida:
12 Section 1. Section 790.01, Florida Statutes, is amended to
13 read:
14 790.01 Unlicensed carrying of concealed weapons or
15 concealed firearms.—
16 (1) Except as provided in subsection (3) (4), a person who
17 is not licensed under s. 790.06 and who carries a concealed
18 weapon or electric weapon or device on or about his or her
19 person commits a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as
20 provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
21 (2) Except as provided in subsection (3), a person who is
22 not licensed under s. 790.06 and who carries a concealed firearm
23 on or about his or her person commits a felony of the third
24 degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s.
25 775.084.
26 (3) This section does not apply to: a person licensed to
27 carry a concealed weapon or a concealed firearm pursuant to the
28 provisions of s. 790.06.
29 (a) A person who carries a concealed weapon, or a person
30 who may lawfully possess a firearm and who carries a concealed
31 firearm, on or about his or her person while in the act of
32 complying with a mandatory evacuation order issued during a
33 state of emergency declared by the Governor pursuant to chapter
34 252 or declared by a local authority pursuant to chapter 870.
35 (b)(4) It is not a violation of this section for A person
36 who carries to carry for purposes of lawful self-defense, in a
37 concealed manner:
38 1.(a) A self-defense chemical spray.
39 2.(b) A nonlethal stun gun or dart-firing stun gun or other
40 nonlethal electric weapon or device that is designed solely for
41 defensive purposes.
42 (4)(5) This section does not preclude any prosecution for
43 the use of an electric weapon or device, a dart-firing stun gun,
44 or a self-defense chemical spray during the commission of any
45 criminal offense under s. 790.07, s. 790.10, s. 790.23, or s.
46 790.235, or for any other criminal offense.
47 Section 2. This act shall take effect July 1, 2014.

The House companion bill is up for a floor vote, passed all committees. It's at:

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It might cost a few sheriffs their next election.
That is what needs to happen... Trouble is, they (the florida sheriff's Association) publicly proclaim their "support" for the 2nd Amendment but when testifying in the legislative committees "talk out of the other side of their mouths"...

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Sorry Charlie, but "ignoring" the anti-2nd Amendment minority in this country has resulted in a steady erosion of our Constitutional Right to keep and bear arms...
Has not occurred in Eastern Kentucky (where I am from).

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The Second Amendment marches forwards in Florida. My analysis is that the Democrats are scared stiff of the upcoming elections and all but those in the very safest districts are uneasy about voting their anti-RKBA party line.

Looks like opposition to the bill has collapsed and the sheriffs are being ignored. One Senate amendment isn't in the House bill and would not allow citizens to carry during riots, etc., emergencies proclaimed by local officials. It's anticipated it'll be passed by the House as is then the "local" anti-RKBA Senate amendment will be taken out in conference.

Note that the Democratic minority leader is an hysterical firearms phobic.

Lawmakers Back Allowing Concealed Guns During Evacuations

April 8, 2014 7:58 PM

Political Coverage On CBSMiami

TALLAHASSEE (CBSMiami/NSF) - Senators continued moving forward Tuesday with a National Rifle Association-backed measure that would allow people to carry concealed weapons without licenses during evacuations ordered by the governor.

But before voting 8-1 to support the bill (SB 296), the Senate Community Affairs Committee removed language that would have allowed people to pocket guns during evacuations ordered by local officials.

Senate Minority Leader Chris Smith, D-Fort Lauderdale, who cast the lone vote against the overall measure, said he was “terrified” that a local official could create an untrained militia.

Currently, people can bring guns with them when following evacuation orders, but the firearms must be securely encased and not in their physical possession.

The bill by Sen. Jeff Brandes, R-St. Petersburg, would create an exemption to state law by allowing people who have not qualified for concealed-weapons licenses to keep their guns with them when ordered to relocate after a state of emergency is declared.

Brandes said he intends to work with his colleagues to get language regarding local officials back into the bill before the measure goes before the Rules Committee.

Similar language remains in the House version (HB 209), which could be heard by the House as early as Wednesday.

Both proposals are opposed by the Florida Sheriffs Association, which has requested set times on where and for how long individuals could carry their guns without licenses once an evacuation order is issued.

NRA lobbyist Marion Hammer argued against imposing a set time period.

“Once you get too specific you work against the average citizen who has no way of knowing exactly what the law says; law enforcement on the other hand, they do,” Hammer said. “We’re trying to protect people here, not do something that is more convenient for law enforcement.”

This report is by Jim Turner with The News Service of Florida.
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