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Hello all,

This is my first Carcano. I got it from the local shop this morning for $150. I dont know anything about these rifles, other than they are built on "Manlicher Style" actions, similar to my Steyr M95. It appears to be complete, and from what I can see(dont know where to look) the serial number on the barrel sleeve and stock match. I dont even know what model it is(I know its not a cavalry carbine, they have the fold up bayonet. 91/24 or 28 maybe?) but It appears it was made at the Beretta Gardone arsenal in 1936. I do know its 6.5mm, not 7.35 and the only thing it appears to be missing is the loading clip. Id like to know as much about it as possible, so any help is appreciated. How did I do? Opinions please, Thank you.






 

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I still have A LOT to learn about these too... but it appears to be a slightly newer version of the 1932 Carcano in my collection.

I am prepared to be corrected, but I believe your rifle to be a 1936 Beretta Gardone Carcano Mod. 91/28 Moschetto T.S.

T.S. stands for the "Special Troops" but I believe the Italian supply system was horrible so these were issued to anyone...

The Roman Numerals XIV on your rifle stand for Mussolini's 14th year in power...
 

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Here are a few horrible snaps of my rifle and a video for comparison:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMoaX5qsNVc

You're right, it should be chambered in 6.5 unless it was modified after leaving Italy... I've heard of German Volksturm being issued Carcanos rechambered to 8mm. Modified rifles are sometimes marked as such... do you see anything on the receiver/ barrel shank/ barrel?

If I were you, grab a handful of clips for it! They were meant to be used once and then left on the battlefield, so if you can find older ones they tend to be rare.
 

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Gizmo8z your carbine is beautiful. Maybe after a good cleaning and a light polishing with some 0000 steel wool mine might look half as good as yours. Only thing I notice different on yours is the sling mount recessed into the side of your stock. Mine doesnt have that. How does it shoot? The only rifle I have similar to this one is my Steyr M95 in 8x56R. That cartridge is a beast in a light carbine, I imagine 6.5 will be much more tame.
 

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Gizmo8z your carbine is beautiful. Maybe after a good cleaning and a light polishing with some 0000 steel wool mine might look half as good as yours. Only thing I notice different on yours is the sling mount recessed into the side of your stock. Mine doesnt have that. How does it shoot? The only rifle I have similar to this one is my Steyr M95 in 8x56R. That cartridge is a beast in a light carbine, I imagine 6.5 will be much more tame.
Thanks for the kind words! I really lucked out on my carbine... It was super clean when I got it, has a nice stock and great metal. My carbine actually has a rare steel vendor code and is featured in the "Italy's Battle Rifle" reference book.

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I also noticed the differences between the sling mounts on our rifles... not sure if that's a variation or something they did to ease production on later runs of M91/28s as yours is 4 years "younger" than mine...? :p

My rifle shoots great! Very little recoil and is easy to handle... it is a very compact little carbine! My rifle had a worn out extractor when I first got it, but a 15min trip to Numrich and $10 fixed that. :D Check out the vid I posted above!

A lot of people bash Carcano's as being inaccurate... but they fail to realize that the Carcano series of rifle has a unique sight picture and you can't aim it the same way you aim other rifles... Once I figured this out, I'd say my rifle is just as accurate as any other comparable firearm.
 

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My carbine actually has a rare steel vendor code and is featured in the "Italy's Battle Rifle" reference book.

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I should have mentioned earlier. Italians felt it was important to know exactly where the steel for their arms came from. You might be able to make it out on your rifle without taking the barreled receiver out of the wood... but if you do take it out, you'll definitely be able to make out the steel vendor code on the barrel shank flat under the date. :)
 

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One can find the TS model with bottom sling mounts only, side sling mounts only, or with both side and bottom mounts on the same carbine or Moschetto.
 

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Thanks for the pic, Ive got it broke down now for cleaning. Its a C for Cogne, not rare I guess with a range of '28-'40.
 

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One can find the TS model with bottom sling mounts only, side sling mounts only, or with both side and bottom mounts on the same carbine or Moschetto.
Ahhh... Italy. The land where anything goes! :p

You Guys have nice examples! Thanks for sharing.
Thanks! :)

Thanks for the pic, Ive got it broke down now for cleaning. Its a C for Cogne, not rare I guess with a range of '28-'40.
Don't down-play it! You've still got a nice carbine. Can't wait to see it post-cleaning. Snap some photos outside if possible!
 

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Will do, thanks Gizmo, Mr. Voigt, and Arditi
 

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I can't tell for sure what marking you have on the left barrel flat - the one right below the serail number. Does it appear to be a shield in a circle? If so, that's a "Crusader Shield which is a dedicated navy mark. Sometime when you have it from the stock, examine the action closely for anchors. They can be found about anywhere including the bolt root or side of the tang.

The shields are normally seen above the serial number on the left side of the stock, but I don't see one there in your pic. Look next to the top tang where the bolt rides - if there's a 5 point star there, it has been refurbed. Which might explain no shield on the stock or anchor on the bolt root.

For some reason, the Regia Marina used a lot of Beretta TS. SW
 

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Yes, It appears to be a shield. Looks like a shield with a cross on it. I didnt see a star or any anchors on it. What use would the Italian Navy have for these carbines? The other marking next to it appears to me a "MR" in a circle. The bolt root has a mark on each side, top is a 3D inside a rectangle, Front L, Bottom looks like TNT in a circle with something above it also in the circle, back has a 4. PB on the sight base and underneath the receiver with a crown above it. ZA inside a rectangle with 1 1 9 2 3 on the top of the butt plate.
 

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Looking the pics over again, I see the stock serial # has no letter prefix = from a civilian TS. Add to that the Navy took several blocks of TS from the civilian production. All of which is consistent with a navy refurb.

The way you describe the shield confirms that it is in fact a navy TS. There should be an anchor somewhere on the gun. Mighht be small or hard to find.

What would the navy do with a TS? Same as everyone else - the navy had components heavily involved in close combat. SW
 

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Anchor on the bottom of the barrel shank along with a * 7,3, and Y. All trigger group parts and the magazine are marked B, Trigger Guard is marked SF in an oval.
 

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I'm away from home and don't have my notes. By chance I found these in a flash drive I happened to have along containing pics I sent to Arditi. SW

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Looking the pics over again, I see the stock serial # has no letter prefix = from a civilian TS. Add to that the Navy took several blocks of TS from the civilian production. All of which is consistent with a navy refurb.

The way you describe the shield confirms that it is in fact a navy TS. There should be an anchor somewhere on the gun. Mighht be small or hard to find.

What would the navy do with a TS? Same as everyone else - the navy had components heavily involved in close combat. SW
The Moschetto TS is the shortest rifle in the 91 series and probably, for this feature, it was given to the Navy, hi Gioche
 

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Any idea of it's value, im not going to sell it because I really like it but I just would like to know. Not expecting big bucks, just a realistic value so I know how I did. Also, how common are the navy carbines? I don't think its rare or anything as it was in a shop in bfe Mississippi.
 

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Update:

Some pics after a serious cleaning. It cleaned up nice, cant wait to get to the range and put some rounds through it! Sorry for my lack of photography skills, doing the best I can with what Ive got. The last picture is one with its Manlicher Cousin/Austrian Ally Steyr M95 in 8x56HR. I will carry my camera with me to the range and get some pictures/video when I get the chance to play with it. Thanks to all for your assistance and tolerance of my noob questions.



 
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