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Based on several other recent threads I decided to go test some of my 800rd+ stock of HPs in my Bulgie and rebarreled [9x18] IJ-70. First I tried some of the older GA Arms HPs, fired a full 8rd mag, followed by a 5rd mag, using each Mak. One round would not chamber but upon dropping the mag and reloading the round in the mag and feeding it, it worked. No big issues here except I was all over, under, and who knows where some of them rounds went. Haven't fired my Maks in 4 months or so, so maybe a good part of that was me, and it showed.

So, nothing interesting yet.

Next, I fired some older Hornady HP rounds. I got these from George Fisher about 3 years ago, so no idea of age. I had one round that was a little weak causing me to stop firing, drop mag, and check stuff out.

So, nothing interesting yet (wait for it, its coming)!!!

I think I had 23 rounds of this stuff to use up and round 21 just didn't sound/feel right and also I immediately noticed a LARGE amount of powder smoke pouring from around the slide and chamber. Not your normal post shot smoke residue, more like 8 times the normal amount.

I immediately yelled "Cease Fire" (other shooters where on the range), and dropped the mag, and locked the slide back. I cycled a round out doing this and noticed that the cycled round projectile was noticably depressed into the case. Next the RSO and I noticed a squib round so close to the chamber that when the slide cycled the next round and forced it into the chamber, the end of the round hit the squid round, causing the projectile depression [shown below]. Also, the unburnted powder seemed to be wet from the remains of the squib round. The temp was about 30 degrees or so. I had no issues with any other ammo all day, just these rounds. I also noticed that these rounds seemed to leave lots of residue like unburnted powder. Noticed it when changing mags.

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My first squib round. Guys, be careful out there!!!
 

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First, glad you had the experience and training to know something was wrong which prevented possible injury. It's easy to get comfortable and not be aware of each round. I haven't had a squib myself, but seeing one that has happened is a wake up call that it can happen anytime, anywhere. Thanks for posting. Joe
 

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Glad you found it before it caused damage. Last year I had my first ever misfire on a factory round with my .44 causing me a monster buck, ugh.
 

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This wasn't new ammo. I'm going to assume its 6+ years in age. Maybe NB can help shed light on when this ammo may have been made.
 

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I bought some brand new back in the early 90's. Too many misfires for me to trust. My favorite back then was CCI-Speer 90gr JHP @ 1050fps.
 

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Was shooting at a musk rat in neighbor's pond and the bullet landed about twenty feet from me--Hornady Critical Defense Mak ammo. Thinking seriously about pulling and repowdering the remainder of the box.
 

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I just remembered, I got rid of that Critical Defense about 9 months ago, and never fired a shot of it. Sold it to an ex co-worker.
I like the bullet profile of the Hornady though.
 

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I'm a bit curious why you felt the need to call a cease-fire? If that happened to me, I would clear the pistol and then call the RO over. If they thought there was some danger to other shooters they can call a cease-fire. From end to end of your story, I don't see any danger to any nearby shooters, or to you, once the gun was cleared of mag and following round.
 

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I'm a bit curious why you felt the need to call a cease-fire? If that happened to me, I would clear the pistol and then call the RO over. If they thought there was some danger to other shooters they can call a cease-fire. From end to end of your story, I don't see any danger to any nearby shooters, or to you, once the gun was cleared of mag and following round.
I called a cease fire because of all the smoke, maybe that round was waiting to cook off. You weren't there, better safe than sorry!
 

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I'm a bit curious why you felt the need to call a cease-fire? If that happened to me, I would clear the pistol and then call the RO over. If they thought there was some danger to other shooters they can call a cease-fire. From end to end of your story, I don't see any danger to any nearby shooters, or to you, once the gun was cleared of mag and following round.
Well...for starters, at USMC Quantico, the regulation states call Cease Fire when a round or weapon malfunctions like this. It is the shooters responsibility to do so as well as the Range Safety Officer, and its the requirement of the Officer in charge to clear the weapon and determine the cause of the malfunction.

As a OIC/RSO at Quantico, I find Va Vets behavior as CORRECT.
 

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Pretty sure it did. Just not much or it was wet. If you look at the 3rd pic that black stuff at the bottom of the lodged projectile is wet powder.
 

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As much as I consider the MAK to be an anemic pistol, it is all steel and
its a far better thing to have in ones hand than a polymer framed pistol
should a Kaboom ever happen.

Don't wish it to happen to anyone. Glad it did not happen this time .
 
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