I just purchased a 1942 tula pem ex-sniper rifle. There is no "cn" on top of the reciever anywhere. Any reason why it would not be there? Also, the pins in the side of the reciever were not drilled all the way through, except for one that is up near the chamber. Is this normal? Thanks for any help
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Are the holes welded shut at refurb as on other post-war Soviet refurb ex-snipers?
As far as I know, all rifles meeting Tula sniper specs were marked with the "sniper marks" at the factory after the accuracy testing in the indoor range tunnel. I own quite a few Tula ex-snipers, all marked.
I think you have a regular issue rifle that was not scoped at Tula.
Regular rifles were scoped by police units after the war and probably during the war by the Tula armourers who are documented as having gone into the beseiged city of Leningrad to maintain weapons during the long siege. Rifles probably were sometimes scoped with parts from damaged rifles by field armourers as well and could have been scoped by any skilled machinist out in the boonies or aboard a ship or anywhere with proper tools and a need for a scoped rifle.
Yes, pin holes are not always drilled all the way through.
As far as I know, all rifles meeting Tula sniper specs were marked with the "sniper marks" at the factory after the accuracy testing in the indoor range tunnel. I own quite a few Tula ex-snipers, all marked.
I think you have a regular issue rifle that was not scoped at Tula.
Regular rifles were scoped by police units after the war and probably during the war by the Tula armourers who are documented as having gone into the beseiged city of Leningrad to maintain weapons during the long siege. Rifles probably were sometimes scoped with parts from damaged rifles by field armourers as well and could have been scoped by any skilled machinist out in the boonies or aboard a ship or anywhere with proper tools and a need for a scoped rifle.
Yes, pin holes are not always drilled all the way through.
Yeah, I count 4 welded spots on the outside of the reciever. Two spots in the center of the reciever and two towards the front of the reciever.
That is correct. I would be worried if you had "SP" on the receiver.
The holes say that it was.
The mark is on the barrel.
If it is not there, it could be simply war time production oversight.
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Just like people have found "sniper proofed" rifles that were never drilled/tapped, they have also found snipers that were never marked as such. Not as common, but they do show up. Also, the rear pin not being drilled all the way through is typical of a Tula PEM. Sounds legit, to me. Good score.
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More of the 42 Tula PEM's that have been posted here over the years lack the C n or C H than have it. Mine does not have it. Very common to not have it on these. They are not common rifles and a good find.
Thats certainly reassuring. I was planning on "re-snipering" it using the reproduction mount and scope from accumounts. I have restored several pu ex-snipers but never a pem. Does the barrel need to be removed in order to drill the hole for the forward pin or not? I saw the pic that ij70 provided and it looked (to me) that the barrel might need to be removed. If anybody has done this or knows of any tips or tricks I would appreciate it. thanks
Here's one I did.
http://forums.gunboards.com/showthr...iper-with-accumounts-siderail-mount-PIC-Heavy
Also, notice the shims to bring the scope up so it zeros at the lower end of the adjustment turret.
http://forums.gunboards.com/showthr...iper-with-accumounts-siderail-mount-PIC-Heavy
Also, notice the shims to bring the scope up so it zeros at the lower end of the adjustment turret.
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A quick thought.
The Tula machinery and all rifles and parts were moved to Izhevsk when threatened by German forces advancing on Leningrad.
It is possible that the rifle barrel you have was made at Tula but scoped later at Izhevsk, who did not put sniper marks on rifles. I have two sniper marked Tulas that did not ever get drilled for scopes, plus a 43 hex Tula, so odd stuff happened.
As I said above, armourers certainly put scopes on in besieged cities and probably field armorers did also.
The refurb welds show it was descoped by the Soviets and refurbed postwar, so it's an "official ex-sniper."
The Tula machinery and all rifles and parts were moved to Izhevsk when threatened by German forces advancing on Leningrad.
It is possible that the rifle barrel you have was made at Tula but scoped later at Izhevsk, who did not put sniper marks on rifles. I have two sniper marked Tulas that did not ever get drilled for scopes, plus a 43 hex Tula, so odd stuff happened.
As I said above, armourers certainly put scopes on in besieged cities and probably field armorers did also.
The refurb welds show it was descoped by the Soviets and refurbed postwar, so it's an "official ex-sniper."
Not all machinery was moved.
Tula is not near Leningrad. It is South of Moscow. Moscow is South of Leningrad. So Tula is even further South.
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If you resniper the rifle make sure you take pictures showing that particular rifle was an ex-PEM before you restored it since it lacks the markings to help substantiate its past. Your documents will have to show that. To me, being able to prove that shows it was not a regular infantry rifle with a scope added. Keep us up to date on progress.
I already had that thought. Lords knows that without it being ch or cn marked and then not having pics to back it up nobody would believe me. I'll keep yall posted for sure. Hopefully I will be ordering the pem mount setup from accumounts here in a few weeks.
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