[pgaplayerless]

I was watching the auction but the front end of the stock looked way wrong. No screwed-in trims, no rear band groves.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=408731536

 

[brcampbe]

It's a later stock that was put on by the Finns.

 

[martin08]

Good buy for a 1939 Finn capture.

 

[Ol' Relic]

It's a later stock that was put on by the Finns.

Nope-it has a РСФСР stock cartouche. I'm on a phone and can't see details very well-it's not possible that the front escutcheons are just missing from their channels?

 

[pgaplayerless]

Nope-it has a РСФСР stock cartouche. I'm on a phone and can't see details very well-it's not possible that the front escutcheons are just missing from their channels?

Looks like there's just a sling hole, no recesses for any hardware.

 

[RyanE]

РСФСР wasn't used after 1937.

 

[ggoldens]

I think it's a cut down stock from a 1919-1922 m91. The stock has a "RSFSR" cartouche, which would be replaced with a "USSR" cartouche in 1923+.

Very cool adaptation, if indeed done by the Finns.

 

[pgaplayerless]

I think it's a cut down stock from a 1919-1922 m91. The stock has a "RSFSR" cartouche, which would be replaced with a "USSR" cartouche in 1923+.

Very cool adaptation,if indeed done by the Finns.

Not sure there has been ever another like it documented?

 

[Ol' Relic]

I think it's a cut down stock from a 1919-1922 m91. The stock has a "RSFSR" cartouche, which would be replaced with a "USSR" cartouche in 1923+.

Very cool adaptation, if indeed done by the Finns.

By George, I believe that's what it is-look at the weird taper (or rather lack of taper) of the stock just behind the nosecap in the next to last pic in the auction.

 

[Mike O]

Looks like the buyer is a member here. Hopefully he will post better pics when he gets it. Good buy IMO.

 

[sparky236]

I can't believe it didn't go higher. If I didn't have other items on my radar, I would have pushed this one higher. Interesting questions about the stock.

 

[Miller Tyme]

I can't believe it didn't go higher. If I didn't have other items on my radar, I would have pushed this one higher. Interesting questions about the stock.

+1 Sparky, it went alot lower than I thought.

 

[ggoldens]

By George, I believe that's what it is-look at the weird taper (or rather lack of taper) of the stock just behind the nosecap in the next to last pic in the auction.

Note the m91 nose cap as well in same photo.

 

[Vic]

I have a Finnish 38 in a Finn modified 91 stock as well.

 

[ggoldens]

Looks like the buyer is a member here. Hopefully he will post better pics when he gets it. Good buy IMO.

+1.

My guess the work was done by the Finns during the war. If this was done by anyone else (including the Grey Carpet Magician), a much more readily available 91/30 stock would have been used.

 

[keithreid]

I thought it would go higher too. Was very surprised that no one else bid. Noticed the stock cartouche and figured it was an older stock modified to fit a carbine, seemed like something the finn's would do on a rifle they didn't have too many of.
It will be a while before I can get better pics. Back in North Dakota working this year, and I don't travel home too often for the weekend trips, just too much travel to make a couple of days worth the time spent.

This one filled a hole I've been working on though. It was the only year m38 that pop didn't find before he died. having the finn mark was a bonus.

Y'all have a good day, Keith

 

[pgaplayerless]

+1.

My guess the work was done by the Finns during the war. If this was done by anyone else (including the Grey Carpet Magician), a much more readily available 91/30 stock would have been used.

Well if the PCCP stamp was use until 1937, it does not rule out M91/30 stock.

 

[pgaplayerless]

+1 Sparky, it went alot lower than I thought.

The last two SA M38's that I saw on GB ended up at this exact price.

 

[RyanE]

Well if the PCCP stamp was use until 1937, it does not rule out M91/30 stock.

Chances are the stock is also marked with the inspection 'ГВ', dating it to 1936/37.

 

[ggoldens]

Well if the PCCP stamp was use until 1937, it does not rule out M91/30 stock.

USSR was formally established in December 1922. So after 1922 references to RSFSR ("РСФСР") starting getting phased out. The RSFSR cartouche was replaced with USSR cartouche ("СССР"). Same reason that the Tula "5-line" barrel markings went from referencing the "foremost armories in RSFSR" to "foremost armories in USSR" around same time. That stock looks pre-1924, whether infantry rifle or dragoon - not clear.