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A local pawn shop has what to my untrained eyes appears to be a unusual Llama pistol.

At first glance it appears to be a long slide 1911 pistol, Serial Number 27425, with checkered wood grips, a Star B style lanyard loop on the left lower side and grip safety. It appears to have a old glossy re-blue finish with some age blemishing. Bore appears excellent. The slide is stamped inside forward of the ejection port with a serial number that LOOKS like 7115 but may just be poorly stamped and incomplete version of the last four digits of the above serial number.

The left side slide is marked:

GABOLONDO Y CIA.ELGOIBAR(ESPANA)
CAL. 9 m/m 38 "LLAMA"

The left side frame has no DOM markings and appears to have been scrubbed prior to refinish.

Right side slide under the ejection port is marked:

"LLAMA" EXTRA

Right side frame behind trigger has script G.C. in circle and most odd, centered between the rear of the right grip and frame spur, a German waffenamt which appears to be a WaA63 rather then the more common fake WaAD20 found on the Bulgarian contract Star B's . Pawn shop has no history on the gun.

Magazine is a unmarked steel mag with witness holes and number indicators for 9 rounds on the left side.

Barrel is unmarked except for 9MM on the top of the chamber.

I can't find mention in my reference books of this pistol with any German markings other then some the commercial Geco stamps. Most likely someone's creative enhancement but I've been wrong before.

I have phone pics but am still trying to figure out out to post them.

Any info or thoughts on this most welcome! I posted on this one in the Spanish pistol forum as well.

Best regards, Mike
 

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"and most odd, centered between the rear of the right grip and frame spur, a German waffenamt which appears to be a WaA63 rather then the more common fake WaAD20 found on the Bulgarian contract Star B's" and "Most likely someone's creative enhancement but I've been wrong before."

The WaA63 is the most used fake stamp on guns, and has been reproduced for years. It has no business being on your 9mm largo Llama (probably) model VII. Most of the Spanish Civil War VII's imported by Interarms from Spain to the U.S. in the 60's were re-finished just the way you describe, with scrubbed date and proof marks.
 

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Thanks for the responses. I agree the WaA seems to be B.S. This pistol DOES have a grip safety (I need to proof read my stuff a bit better-sorry!)


From the provided web site it looks like this one:

Model VII is chambered in 9mm Largo and marked 9mm /38. Known as a Modelo Extra. The Extra refers to the extra 1/2 inch length of the barrel as it did in the Ruby Extra. I have records of this gun being made as early as 1932 and as late as 1944. Barrel length is 5 1/2" This gun has an internal extractor like the Colt.
This gun was also made in 9mm P which I have seen photos of.
 

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Many years ago I had a Llama Extra that was much as you described above. I don't recall it having any WaA stampings . It went in a trade for a luger of P.38 a couple years after I bought it. I do remember I could shoot 9mm luger or 9mm largo in it with no apparent problems using either round. It seemed to digest what ever I stuffed into the mag. with no hick ups. I guess that must have been back in my younger and more stupid days .
 

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This llama extra is one heavy 1911 clone. What does the 9mm / 38 mean? It shoots the 9mm largo round and what does the 38 mean, does it mean 38ACP or 38 super?
 

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The pistol shoots 9mm Largo only, the 38 designation was Llama/Star additional descriptor for a 38 cal ( which it isn't - actually .355) the Largo was Spanish nomenclature for the 38 Bergman cartridge which was a lesser. Powered cartridge of the same dimensions.
 
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