[Edward Horton]

Saw a great movie yesterday “Somewhere Over the Rainbow”

I was wondering if AV Doc could tell me how many of the Enfield’s were made out of rubber?
(One was dropped on the beach in the saltwater and I cried at that part of the movie)

The strange part was Hugh Jackman “The Drover” didn’t have his bayonets?

Whiterider was even in the movie, I saw a big ugly dingo

 

[whiterider]

hey horton

Dr. Beer is pining away for you after that gay tiff you had.....for gods sake write to him....

 

[Edward Horton]

Dr. Beers is one funny guy, who else would think to send me $5.00 for my Birthday and know I wouldn’t spend it.

(Even the lowlife fake Australian SOBs in our American “Outback Steakhouse” wouldn’t take the money the last time I ate there)

 

[whiterider]

he needs serious help....

He's been playing with M17's and of course having great trouble finding one with an acceptable barrel.....

Anyways after trying a couple and trading them back in he seems to have one with at least some visible rifling....

Groups 168 sierras not too badly but sprays the 155's around like a demented shot gun. Think he plans to use the thing just for 500 yard matches...(slow fire) as like most mausers its hopeless for any sort of rapid.

At least he seems to have forgotten that bloody arisaka that used to throw bullets sideways....

 

[plantie]

hey whiterider so dr beer is not dead then

so he keeping the arisaka or giving it away then

 

[DocAV]

DocAV, Rubber Guns and "Australia"

Sadly, the only connection with "Australia" ( the film) for Doc AV (AV Ballistics) was the scatterring of real .303 fired cases around the ground under the Lewis AA Gun and other "set dressing" instances---about 20 kilos of once-fired Aussie brass .303 cases (not matched for date, but who's looking???....We actually sacrified that amount of good, Berdan reloadable cases for their mere scrap brass value...when we could have reloaded them as Vickers Gun blanks at $1,00 a shot. ( and that was before the Brass/Resources price rise and fall)

The Dunked rifles were most probably "rubber duckies" ( from another friendly Movie Gun Firm); Nobody but Nobody in their right mind would allow an Enfield(or any other rifle, for that matter,) to disappear under the waves.....just think of the paperwork involved if you actually "lost one" at sea(or in a creek or pond???).


I haven't been to see it yet, but have promised the wife to take her during our Gold Coast Festive break.

regards, and Merry Xmas to all, from (Rainy) Queensland right now...

Doc AV

 

[GunnerSam]

There've been two very old Rubber Guns come through the shop. One was a solid black and rather crudely molded M16 that I figure was for training purposes, perhaps obstacle courses.
The other was a fairly detailed Springfiel 03 that was either painted or molded in colors like a halloween mask. I figure that was for drill, maybe ROTC at a school where real guns weren't allowed or a military school. both seemed to have metal rods molded in to aproximate weight and balance, though not really even close.

I'd liked to have had the springfield in retrospect, I may know who owns it. Anyone got an idea what that rubber duck might be?

There are some resin cast Lee Enfield props available with working bolts. Expensive and probably fragile.
There are Airsoft Enfields with wooden furniture that are very expensive.

An air rifle trainer version of the Enfields would be a great gift for the kids and teach them basic skills they could carry over when old enough for there first full power rifles.
A 7/8 scale Jungle carbine would probably sell like hot cakes.

Little brother had a Crosman M1 Carbine thats still in the family.

Were there ever any air rifle trainers that mimiced the appearance of the Lee Enfields the way some European air rifle trainers did the mauser?

 

[harrymac]

BSA

Made their Military pattern air rifle available to cadet and volunteer units in the early years of the 20th century. It was a BSA Standard underlever air rifle stocked up to resremble a MLE, IIRC there was also a shorter version available to more closely mimic the SMLE. They were even fitted with a dummy bolt handle. If you can find one, expect to pay in the region of £1000.
Webley's MkII air rifle was known as the "Service" air rifle apparently because some cadet/volunteer units bought them, although they were never officially supplied. The Webley was a very high quality rifle, but looked nothing like a service rifle.

 

[GunnerSam]

Made their Military pattern air rifle available to cadet and volunteer units in the early years of the 20th century. It was a BSA Standard underlever air rifle stocked up to resremble a MLE, IIRC there was also a shorter version available to more closely mimic the SMLE. They were even fitted with a dummy bolt handle. If you can find one, expect to pay in the region of £1000.
Webley's MkII air rifle was known as the "Service" air rifle apparently because some cadet/volunteer units bought them, although they were never officially supplied. The Webley was a very high quality rifle, but looked nothing like a service rifle.

I believe I've seen those Webley's before and some were for sale on a UK air rifle site. These had extra barrels for the most commonly available air rifle pellet sizes, which must have been very handy.
Looked like a very finely made rifle.

Thanks, I hadn't seen any of those stocked to look like the real deal. Be something to keep an eye out for.

PS
If you're interested in odd air rifle designs the Pneumatic tranquilizer dart gun used on the sci fi series "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea" was built using an Enfield action and buttstock mated to a cast air valve arrangement that fitted into the magazine well with a high pressure cylinder mounted there.
It was probably a mock up, but I think I've figured out how to make something like that work using the front end of the cocking piece to act as the striker to tap the valve.

 

[harrymac]

Google

If you do a google seach for BSA Military Pattern Air Rifle you'll get quite a few results, unfortunately I didn't see any decent photos of one. Pricey and desireable.
The Webley offering did indeed have interchangeable barrels, .177, .22, and .25. The additional barrels were extra cost items. The Webley MkIIs are also increasing in value but due to the fact that they were available for general sale to the (well off) public they are no where near as rare or valuable as the BSA Military Pattern.
Sadly all Webley airguns are now made in Turkey, and the familiar barrel over cylinder air pistol design has gone, to be replaced by a cheap in line design.

 

[Mk VII]

I've got one of those Webley Service Mk.IIs here. I suppose it vaguely duplicates the sight picture ... sort of.
A look for 'BSA Lincoln Jefferies' will disclose several other rifles of vaguely service configuration. Other people besides BSA made them - some are quite unmarked.