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I picked this up off gunbroker a few weeks ago and it finally arrived yesterday. Looks like a legit early-import rifle with a nice bayonet and sling. The only thing that bothers me is the buttplate. It is ill-fitting and shows no sign whatsoever of red primer on the interior. It doesn't look buffed, polished, or wire-wheeled. I'm thinking that if it isn't original, then the original one was replaced vs. just cleaned up. What do you think? The last 4-5 photos are of the buttplate.

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I really think the gun itself is legit, but the buttplate bothers me.
 

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I quit when I saw the rubber gloves...are you a proctologist?
 

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I like it and in that condition, if the "Germany" stamp is the only import mark, it wouldn't detract from the value too much IMO.

I have no comment on the butplate ohter than it looks old and the condition matches the rifle..
 

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The links for the photos makes it a hassle to see the pics. It's a nice rifle from the four or five I saw.
 

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The pictures are incredible. In a collecting community where getting quality photos is like pulling teeth I had absolutely no problem waiting 4 to 5 seconds for each photo to load.

Yes, an early import where the "Germany" stamp incorrectly denotes country of origin.

As far of the rifle is concerned, it is spot on.

What year is the bayonet?
 

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Everything I see is textbook correct for a dot 44 of that serial range. I don't recall dot 44s having buttplates w/o the interior red lead paint, but again it was 44 and I don't recall removing the buttplate on a whole lot of dot 44s in that range and cannot remember what the insides of those always looked like. Looks like someone has had that one off before., perhaps cleaned the outside, however, I cant say that isn't the original buttplate. Looks like a nice piece.
 

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Same page with John & Boner; high quality pics are a must and these are nice.. I will say that I almost did the BiO thing and gave up because the first/top ones were bayo's but diligence paid off and a nice rifle finally showed up!
I “generally” (w/o a reason) don't take off buttplates as you can waller out the holes or screw up a screw head with some rifles buttplates but like Boner I can't see a lot to worry over on this rifle.


The pictures are incredible. In a collecting community where getting quality photos is like pulling teeth I had absolutely no problem waiting 4 to 5 seconds for each photo to load.

Yes, an early import where the "Germany" stamp incorrectly denotes country of origin.

As far of the rifle is concerned, it is spot on.

What year is the bayonet?
 

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Yep, what Simson said. Back in the day, long ago when I was a kid, I felt compelled to see what was under there. Now I don't. If you have to put a metal tool of any kind to a buttplate it doesn't need to come off IMHO.
 

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Yep, what Simson said. Back in the day, long ago when I was a kid, I felt compelled to see what was under there. Now I don't. If you have to put a metal tool of any kind to a buttplate it doesn't need to come off IMHO.
While I admit that I NEED to see barrel band markings under the wood I no longer go "under the buttplate" as it isn't necessary. Of course I learned that lesson the hard way by screwing up some screws. Good thing they were MM pieces.......
 

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Thanks for the opinions, gentlemen. I wanted to post clear, detailed photographs, so everyone could offer their opinion without any doubt of what they were looking at. Everyone - myself included - bitches when people post lousy pics, so why are we bitching when people post clear ones? I knew they were large and would take a long time to load... that's why I linked them instead of posting them as images! :)

Anyway, the only reason I pulled the plate was because it was ill fitting and made me suspicious. I'm normally content to leave them be. In looking at it, I'm sure it hasn't been buffed, polished, or wire-wheeled.

The "germany" stamp is the only post-war mark on the gun, which, in my opinion, doesn't detract from the value at all. It's a gorgeous, legit rifle that's in excellent condition with similar-condition bayonet and sling. The bayonet is not dated.
 

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Dot 44

I posted a while ago on a phosphated Dot 44. The inside of the buttplate is red primer and appears ill fitting. Also has pencil scribes as yours does as well as the dot mark on stock and handguard. Very nice piece you have collected RETREAD
 

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Nice rifle, thanks for the great pics. I guess I'm not busy enough. I looked at all of them!

Hey guys, whats up with being afraid to take off a buttplate? Over the years I've found some neat things under them. This includes names and units, religious medals, money, and some kind of brown powder in wax paper once. Of course this is not only on K98s but many different types of mil-surp weapons. Lots of folks will pay extra for names and unit markings.

If the weapon is dogged down in a proper padded gun vice and the proper sized hollow ground screwdrivers are used on cleaned out screw slots then what's the problem? Not knowing what is under the BP just might detract from the value of the weapon more than buggering a buttplate screw. Unless the screws are numbered they can be replaced you know.

The condition of the K98 BP ink stamps on the red primer is important for me to know how strong/weak it is. I makes a lot more sence to me to carefully strip a weapon so I can inspect/lube it than to have to do it in front of a prospective buyer and bugger up something. If a seller could not or would not pull a plate for me then I would become suspicious about the weapon right away. M2C
 

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nice. i like the qnw floor plate with serials. does any one know the letter block they cut out the 'capture' screws?
 
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