[newbiebob]

Is there anyone out there with a collection of discharger cups made for Enfields? If so, would you mind sharing them on the forum? Thanks!

 

[Lithy]

A pic containing two examples of grenade attachments.

 

[limpetmine]

4"

Sold on ebay tonight for $25.00. Thought about bidding, but then what to do with it?
Can't own short barrelled rifles in my state, (MG"S Ok, go figure), so building it up is a non starter. The rifle cups I use duct tape wrapped tennis balls. Blanks still blast a hole in them, but they fly real good. Have an Ishapore and a British made. Don't have pictures handy. (Vista sucks, just in case you didn't know).

 

[Terrylee]

The top two are repros, but are exact copies.

 

[newbiebob]

Thanks for your posted pictures. What I was hoping to see was someone who had a discharger cup and rifle similar to one that I recently acquired: it's a shortened Ishapore rifle that extends just beyond the barrel band. The cup itself appears to be threaded onto what's left of the barrel and is 9 1/2" long. The cup is perfectly cylindrical and the bottom is square to the sides.

 

[JollyGreenSlugg]

Not this piece of junk, is it?



That was discussed on another board at this thread;

http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=66427

Three very dodgey-looking 'rare' firearms up for auction.

As I wrote over there;

An Indian wire-wrap is chopped, and has an unusual grenade cup. Claimed to be a 'No4 discharger cup', it does not look like the actual No4 discharger cup, which was introduced in 1942, designated as Discharger No.3 MkI. This cup was made for the No4 rifle, and was attached to the rifle with "a turning collar which locks behind the lugs on the rifle, the same lugs that also fix the bayonet" (Skennerton, The Lee-Enfield, p415). So, the 'cup' featured cannot be the cup in Skennerton, as they fit different rifles. The one in the auction does not have the base that actual Discharger N0.3 MkIs did, and it is fitted to the wrong rifle, the wrong way.

Grenade launching rifles were bound with wire as the stocks sometimes cracked or shattered due to the increased forces on the rifle during grenade firing. I can hardly see an Indian GF rifle being chopped back to the main band, as that would make the comparative pressures even higher.

Cheers,
Matt

 

[BadgerDog]

Is there anyone out there with a collection of discharger cups made for Enfields? If so, would you mind sharing them on the forum? Thanks!

If you want to have some fun with the cup dischargers, here's a great "fun" video in The Screening Room (click here) section of the Milsurp Knowledge Libraryhttp://milsurps.com.

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It's a range video of members engaged in The Great Canadian Tennis Ball Challenge competitive match at Milcun, using WW1 Enfield Wire Wrapped Grenade Rifles and Dischargers (click here)http://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=1129.

Make sure you turn ON your speakers and turn the volume up to hear the sound effects !


There's also another Knowledge Library entry on WW1 Enfield Wire Wrapped Grenade Rifles and Dischargers (click here)http://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=105, showing close up pics as well as instructions on how to use them.

Hope this helps ...

Regards,
Badger

 

[missing_something]

Here are my 2.

 

[newbiebob]

update

The discharger cup in question, which was shown/depicted as questionable in one of the posts, would appear to be genuine. If you have access to Ian Skennerton's latest edition of The Lee Enfield text, it shows a diagram of a "discharger, smoke generator, 4-in., No. 2 Mk. I." The diagram and charger do indeed match up, so as purchaser, I guess I made a very lucky find indeed.

 

[John Sukey In Memoriam]

I vote for the smoke discharger. Same one that the JAWA's used to zap R2D2

 

[JollyGreenSlugg]

The discharger cup in question, which was shown/depicted as questionable in one of the posts, would appear to be genuine. If you have access to Ian Skennerton's latest edition of The Lee Enfield text, it shows a diagram of a "discharger, smoke generator, 4-in., No. 2 Mk. I." The diagram and charger do indeed match up, so as purchaser, I guess I made a very lucky find indeed.

Well, TLE does show a the aforementioned diagram of a "discharger, smoke generator, 4-in., No. 2 Mk. I." It doesn't look like the pictured item, nor would it be mounted to a No1, let alone a chopped No1. The real No2 MkI discharger is attached to a No4 rifle by the bayonet lugs. Unless the chopped GF rifle above has No4 bayo lugs on an appropriately turned-down barrel end, it ain't the one in question. I'll post more later when I have time.

Oh yeah, g'day Tas.

Cheers,
Matt

 

[breakeyp]

Various cup and spigot launchers:

 

[BadgerDog]

With thanks to Advisory Panel member Peter Laidler, an interesting new article has been added to the Technical Articles for Milsurp Collectors and Re-loaders (click here)http://www.milsurps.com/forumdisplay.php?f=25, which I thought might be interesting to those folks reading and posting in this thread.

Exploding P14 Grenade Discharger Cups (By Peter Laidler) (click here)http://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=4198

As Peter says "..... interesting pictures from weapons held at the Small Arms School armoury at Warminster, showing the results of grenades exploding in the cups of Patt 14 EY rifles."

Article Extract .....

Destroyed cup is on a Winchester Mk1* No3 rifle, serial number 118092. This was destroyed by a Home Guard trainee who inserted the grenade into the cup with the loose striker lever hooked over the outside................ Then he pulled the ring.............. Not a wise move as it detonated and blew in the cup. No one was injured!


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Regards,
Badger

 

[340mech]

The discharger cup in question, which was shown/depicted as questionable in one of the posts, would appear to be genuine. If you have access to Ian Skennerton's latest edition of The Lee Enfield text, it shows a diagram of a "discharger, smoke generator, 4-in., No. 2 Mk. I." The diagram and charger do indeed match up, so as purchaser, I guess I made a very lucky find indeed.

The 4" discharger itself may well be genuine but these were used on armored vehicles, not hand-held weapons.

 

[JollyGreenSlugg]

Darn, I was hoping that Tas would come back to play

 

[Edward Horton]

FIRE IN THE HOLE

Just boring manuals with silly drawings, pictures and instructions about rifle grenades

Small Arms Training Grenade 1937 Australian
http://home.comcast.net/~ehorton/smallarmstraininggrenade1937melbourne.pdf

Small Arms Training Grenade 1937 New Zealand
http://home.comcast.net/~ehorton/smallarmstraininggrenade1937wellington.pdf

Small Arms Training Grenade 1937 London
http://home.comcast.net/~ehorton/smallarmstraininggrenade1942london.pdf

Small Arms Training Grenade, Supplement,1937 New Zealand
http://home.comcast.net/~ehorton/smallarmstrainingno.68atgrenadeno.69bakelitegr.pdf

Grenade Discharger No.4 Rifle 1953
http://home.comcast.net/~ehorton/Grenade discharger No.4.pdf

The Anti-Tank Grenade (Energa) 1953
http://home.comcast.net/~ehorton/1953 Energa.pdf

 

[Richard in NY*]

Edward:

Thanks for providing the grenade manual PDFs. Very helpful!