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Your cut and paste post wasn't worth reading in it's entirety and judging by the length and amount of serious errors in it; you are not worth educating and have nothing to offer to the conversation.

You would be much happier re-posting your cut and paste material where people are happy to read the same old dis-proven crap over and over again

JMHO.
Keep drinking the kool-aid bud. Keep ignoring facts and believing in this flawed ideology of the President.

Everything you guys post is "cut and paste" per say. Its things that O'Reilly, Hannity and Limbaugh say. You guys can't think for yourselves on this issue. Calling democrats traitors because they don't agree with you on the war isn't smart and it makes you look stupid. It shows you have no rational argument against what they are saying, unless of course you repeat statist propaganda.

Dis proven crap? Please fell free to point out the "errors" in my post. Oh really so you are telling me there is no national debt? That things in Iraq have gone 100% perfectly? When they brainwashed you, did they wax it too?
 

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But most are either dumb as a stump or traitorous.

Clyde, you are giving them too much credit.....as a stump....needs to be dumber than a post. The stump at least has some roots and the post is just jammed into the ground.
 

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"Calling democrats traitors because they don't agree with you..."

MauserBoy, you really need to read Ann Coulter's book "Treason". In it she lays it all out about the treasonous Democrat Party, going back to FDR.

Convinced me. The modern day Democrat Party is the party of treason. Then and now.

I'm a Mauser Boy too ( 24/47 & a Turked Gewehr 98 ).

Irgun.
 

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Here is some fresh cut and paste knowledge for the Dirty one and Mauser boy.
I strongly recommend that you gents read all of it so you are up to date on the actions of the TRAITORS you support.




More Demo-gogue “Retreat and Surrender”

In January 2007, at the end of his second tour in Iraq, Gen. David Petraeus was nominated for promotion from Lieutenant General to General. His confirmation made him Commander of Multi-National Force Iraq (MNF-I). The Senate vote recorded no dissenters, and for good reason: Petraeus is the best commander for the job.

Gen. Petraeus is a USMA graduate (1974), and he has an outstanding career record as an infantry officer. His professional and academic-advancement record is also exceptional. He earned the George C. Marshall Award as the top graduate of the U.S. Army Command and General Staff College (1983) and later earned master and doctoral degrees from Princeton. Notably, the subject of his doctoral dissertation was, “The American Military and the Lessons of Vietnam.”

I suppose his vita makes him the poster boy for those who Jean-Francois Kerry claims are “stuck in Iraq” because they are too dullard for a “real” job like Kerry’s.

In his eighth months in command of MNF-I, Gen. Petraeus was called to Capital Hill this week (the sixth anniversary of 9/11) to testify before Congress about progress in Iraq. Ahead of that testimony, he said, “I’ve tried to spend the last 33 years going around minefields instead of through them.” Monday and Tuesday, he successfully marched through the most contentious minefield of his career.

Those mines were planted months ago when plans for Gen. Petraeus’s testimony were announced. Democrats, who have bet their 2008 election prospects on failure in Iraq, began a campaign to undermine anything positive Gen. Petraeus might report about Operation Iraqi Freedom, because good news is bad for retreat and surrender Demos.

Here are a few representative comments from Democrat Senators who voted for Petraeus’s confirmation and command of MNF-I made before his testimony:

“[Petraeus has] made a number of statements over the years that have not proved to be factual.” —Sen. Harry Reid

“I expect the ‘Bush report’ to say, ‘The surge is working. Let’s have more of the same’.” —Sen. Dick Durbin

“I was against the war, I continue to be against the war, and I’m going to do everything I possibly can to bring American troops home at the earliest possible time.” —Sen. Ted Kennedy

“President Bush’s war strategy is failing and the top military commander in Iraq is ‘dead flat wrong’ for warning against major changes... The fact of the matter is that American lives remain in jeopardy and... if every single jihadi in the world was killed tomorrow, we’d still have a major, major war on our hands [in Iraq].” —Sen. Joe Biden (And we would be fighting whom?)

“I don’t think General Petraeus has an independent view in that sense... You can be sure we’ll listen to it, but I don’t think he’s an independent evaluator.” —Sen. Dianne Feinstein

“I was against the surge when it was first proposed. And I believe that nothing which Petraeus or Crocker or anyone else coming before the Congress will say next week will in any way undermine the basic problem: There is no military solution.” —Hillary Rodham Clinton

While John Kerry abstained from voting on Petraeus’s nomination, he did get Hillary’s ditto-Demo memo on “military solutions” and declared, “We should not be fooled into this tactical success debate... There is no military solution.”

For his part, Gen. Petraeus sat stoically before Demo-led panels Monday, prior to delivering his remarks, as they questioned his credibility and patriotism. His face and stature did not betray any degree of contempt for the politicos slandering his character. He is a good soldier.

Rep. Tom Lantos began the hearings by declaring that Petraeus would be doing nothing more than reading White House talking points: “We cannot take any of this administration’s assertions about Iraq at face value anymore. The fact remains, gentlemen, that the administration has sent you here today to convince the members of these two committees and the Congress that victory is at hand. With all due respect to you, I must say: I don’t buy it.”

In response to this backhanded nonsense, Gen. Petraeus opened his remarks saying, “At the outset I would like to note that this is my testimony. Although I have briefed my assessment and recommendations to my chain of command, I wrote this testimony myself. It has not been cleared by nor shared with anyone in the Pentagon, the White House or the Congress until it was just handed out.”

Much to the consternation of Democrats and Leftmedia defeatists, Gen. Petraeus did not suggest the U.S. retreat and surrender, but rather declared, “The military objectives of the surge are, in large measure, being met.”

In fact, since additional forces were committed to Iraq (“The Surge”) in June, and tactical constraints were loosened, the number of “security incidents” has “decreased significantly” in eight of the last 12 weeks; civilian murders have dropped 45 percent and “ethno-sectarian deaths” (Shi’ite vs. Sunni) have dropped 55 percent. For the year, IEDs targeting civilians are down 49 percent, and the U.S. has captured or killed more than 1,000 key al-Qa’ida insurgents and more than 2,500 other al-Qa’ida fighters.

“Additionally,” said Gen. Petraeus, “in what may be the most significant development of the past eight months, the tribal rejection of al-Qa’ida that started in Anbar province and helped produce such significant change there has now spread to a number of other locations as well.”

U.S. Ambassador to Iraq Ryan Crocker corroborated Gen. David Petraeus’s testimony and spoke about the significant improvements to Iraq’s economy, noting they “are neither measured in benchmarks nor visible to those far from Baghdad.”

Unfortunately, in 2003, nobody thought it would take longer than five years to fend off attacks from Islamic jihadis while trying to undo generations of Ba’athist tyranny and establish a Republican government in the heart of the Islamic world.

If the OIF campaign continues to improve at this rate, Gen. Petraeus said the 168,000 troops in Iraq now could be reduced to 130,000 troops by mid-2008.

On that note, President George Bush insisted later, “[W]hen we begin to draw down troops from Iraq, it will be from a position of strength and success, not from a position of fear and failure. To do otherwise would embolden our enemies and make it more likely that they would attack us at home.”

Still, Gen. Petraeus’s remarks fell upon deaf ears in Congress.

“Clearly, continuing to pursue the President’s flawed escalation policy until at least July 2008 is not in the national interest of the United States,” protested Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid.

“There is a big disconnect between the truth of the matter and the reality. I mean, the truth of the matter is that... the administration’s policy and the surge are a failure,” concluded Sen. Joe Biden.

The dizzy Leftcoast House Speaker, Ms. Nancy Pelosi, issued a press release after Petraeus’s testimony with the lead, “Continuing Failed Surge in Iraq Until at Least Next Summer Is Unacceptable.” Pelosi insists, “The facts are self-evident that the progress is not being made... It is time to change the mission of our troops... so that the numbers... can be reduced on a much more aggressive timetable.”

Yeah, like the 2008 election timetable?

Of course, doing the bidding of al-Qa’ida, the Democrat’s Internet lapdog, Moveon.org, paid $65,000 for a full-page ad in Monday’s edition of The New York Times with the caption, “General Petraeus or General Betray Us?” and the subheading, “Cooking the Books for the White House.” What followed was a rant impugning the trustworthiness of OIF’s commanding officer, which is a shot at all uniformed Patriots.

Among the many facts omitted by Moveon in the ad was that The Times gave them a 60 percent discount from the standard rate for full-page ads (likely an FEC violation). According to the New York Post, “If a company sells an ad worth [$181,692] for $65,000, then, that would be an in-kind contribution of [$116,692]. Corporate contributions to PACs are illegal under the campaign-finance laws The Times itself has long championed: ‘Corporations and labor organizations are prohibited from making contributions in connection with federal elections,’ according to the FEC.”

Frankly, I’m surprised The Times charged the pantywaists at Moveon at all, but I suppose it had to look somewhat legitimate.

Downwind from the billowing fumes of these Demo-gogue traitors and their surrogates, one is left to ponder, as I have previously, what has happened to the Democrat Party of Roosevelt and Kennedy—which championed our national security and honored Patriots? It is now infested with hypocritical, nescient, impotent, reprehensible, gutless, half-witted, asinine, obsequious, meretricious, pusillanimous, indolent, imbecilic, pompous, retromingent, ignominious, duplicitous, ungrateful, socialist, sycophantic prevaricators, who flippantly exploit Operation Iraqi Freedom, as political fodder for their next campaign.

If the Democrats force a retreat and surrender from the Iraqi front with Jihadistan, we will have to contend with jihadis on our own soil—again—and return to the Middle East at what then will be a much higher cost of life and resources.

Oh yes, lest we forget, Iran’s resident psychopath, President Mahmud Ahmadi-Nejad, recently said of the Democrats’ plan to retreat, “Soon, we will see a huge power vacuum in the region.”

Iran, handing off nukes to al-Qa’ida or other jihadi proxies, is going to offset that “huge power vacuum” with a huge power detonation somewhere close to home. This is the terminal objective of jihad. Nineteen terrorists killed 2,996 civilians. There are thousands of jihadi terrorists yet to be captured or killed. Do the math.




Quote of the week

“At the outset I would like to note that this is my testimony. Although I have briefed my assessment and recommendations to my chain of command, I wrote this testimony myself. It has not been cleared by, nor shared with, anyone in the Pentagon, the White House or the Congress until it was just handed out. As a bottom line up-front, the military objectives of the surge are in large measure being met.” —General David Petraeus
On cross-examination

“The only hope in this war is to win it, no matter how much frustration, or division in Iraq (and America) and no matter how long it takes. Osama bin Laden knows the alternative. And he is willing to impose it on the entire world if we fail.” —Cal Thomas
Open query

“Our forces are killing lots of al-Qa’ida jihadis, preventing another terrorist attack on U.S. soil, and giving democracy in Iraq a chance—and Democrats say we are ‘losing’ this war. Was that a direct quote from Senate [Leader] Harry Reid, [or] the Osama bin Laden tape released this week? I always get those two confused... If liberals are not traitors, their only fallback argument at this point is that they’re really stupid.” —Ann Coulter
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GOVERNMENT & POLITICS
From the Left: Clinton’s big Hsu

Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign returned $860,000 in contributions raised by con man Norman Hsu this week. When The Wall Street Journal first reported Hsu’s crooked past and his Clinton connection, the campaign $23,000 to charity—a pittance of the money Hsu truly raised by circumventing federal fundraising laws. However, the Hsu case did not go away as the Clintonistas hoped. Amidst this week’s uproar over Gen. Petraeus’s report and the sixth anniversary of 9/11, they returned to their donors the largest sum of money ever in the history of campaign fundraising. With the help of their accomplices in the Leftmedia, it was a smooth move.

Hsu was running from a 15-year-old arrest warrant in California for grand theft during his successful fundraising stint with the Clintons. He ran again after returning to California supposedly to face the music. The law caught up with him on a Chicago bound Amtrak train, stuck between his bed and the wall in a sleeper cabin littered with prescription medicine bottles; he had written a suicide note before fleeing.

There is enough about this case to entertain everyone. For instance, how did a man who was a fugitive from justice for 15 years become a top donor for the favored presidential candidate? And how did he coerce people to make donations to a candidate that some of them actually loathed?

To answer the first question, Clinton campaign spokesman, Howard Wolfson, said, “Mr. Hsu donated to numerous charities and more than two dozen candidates and committees. Despite conducting a thorough review of public records, our campaign like others were unaware of Mr. Hsu’s decade-plus old warrant. To help ensure against this type of situation in the future, our campaign will also institute vigorous additional vetting procedures on our bundlers, including criminal background checks. In any instances where a source of a bundler’s income is in question, the campaign will take affirmative steps to verify its origin.” We’re so relieved.

More fun with the Clinton campaign

If having to explain away Norman Hsu weren’t bad enough, Hillary Clinton may have to testify in the California Court of Appeals in a lawsuit filed by Hollywood producer Peter Paul. Paul filed a lawsuit against the Clintons and two of their associates claiming that the former President reneged on an agreement to be a rainmaker for Paul’s Internet venture if Paul produced a fundraiser for Hillary’s 2000 Senate campaign. Paul claims to have Mrs. Clinton on videotape agreeing to help plan the August 2000 event.

The Clinton Senate campaign has already paid a $35,000 fine to the FEC for not properly reporting the money raised at that event. Now, if Paul’s videotape holds up in court, Clinton could be in bigger trouble for having a direct hand in the planning. The fundraiser would then be defined as a hard-money donation that is more than a thousand times the legal limit for an individual donation.

In a 2006 written statement submitted to the California court, Clinton maintained that she did not recall having such a conversation with Paul. If she is called upon to testify during this appeal, it will be another historic first. No presidential candidate has ever had to appear in a criminal court during their campaign. Trailblazing, indeed.
In the Executive Branch: AG nomination looming

The word in the swamp is that President Bush will nominate an attorney-general candidate next week. Democrats are calling upon the President to nominate a “nonpartisan,” which really means they want someone who will roll over and allow them to claw through the Justice Department files like mice. President Bush seems to be looking forward to the fight, because his top pick may to be Ted Olson, former solicitor general and the Bush campaign’s top lawyer during the 2000 Florida recount.

Democrats are busy pre-rejecting Olson, with head partisan Harry Reid claiming that Olson is too partisan for the position. On the contrary, Olson may be just the man to take the reins at Justice, which is sorely in need of leadership. Morale is low and no one is minding the store there, which is just how the Demos like it. For months the liberals have claimed that the Justice Department applied the law in a manner that allowed Republicans to gain power across the country. If a weak AG is put in charge of the department, Democrats will continue rummaging through Justice Department files to fuel their witch hunt against Republicans, making up corruption where they can’t find it.
Democrats making up a case

Speaking of making up corruption, House Democrats are investigating the 2006 bribery conviction of former Alabama governor Don Siegelman with the belief that President Bush’s Justice Department had a hand in landing Siegelman in jail for political reasons. Karl Rove’s name has predictably popped up as the boogieman behind the whole mess because of political work he did in Alabama during the 1990s. That’s the best liberals can do at this point.

While serving as Governor, Siegelman took $500,000 from HealthSouth CEO Richard Scrushy in exchange for a seat on the state hospital board. The money went toward paying off a debt the Siegelman campaign owed to a state lottery. The liberal position is that Siegelman merely exchanged a favor, something that all politicians do to a certain extent. Seigelman’s actions may be common, but they were also illegal. That is why he is serving a 99-month prison sentence, not because he is a Democrat unlucky enough to be in the same state at the same time as Karl Rove.
On the Hill: Sen. Hagel announces retirement

One week after John Warner announced he would not seek reelection to the U.S. Senate in 2008, Nebraska “Republican” Chuck Hagel said that he will not seek reelection next year, nor will he run for President (were we holding our breath?). Hagel has been so adamantly against Bush administration policy, it’s easy to forget that he is actually a GOP Senator. He has been a longtime vocal opponent to America’s involvement in Iraq and was one of the first Republicans to call for Attorney General Alberto Gonzales’s resignation. Unfortunately for Republicans, this means yet another congressional seat to defend in 2008, but all in all, losing Hagel won’t be so bad.
In the Senate: Pork and bridges

The Senate took up H.R. 3074, the Transportation/HUD Appropriations Act, passing that bill Wednesday by an 88-7 margin. The measure ladles out $106 billion, including over $2.5 billion in earmarks and $1 billion for bridge repair and replacement. Mixed in with the pork is $200 million for nonprofits and other groups that offer counseling and information to aid homeowners with sub-prime mortgages in avoiding foreclosure.

President Bush has threatened to veto the bill for overspending—but he’s pulled back from other such pledges recently. Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK) has been fighting the good fight against earmarks, though deterring his esteemed colleagues from spending your money to ingratiate themselves back home is a tall order. Coburn’s amendment to strip out all the pork from the transportation bill and transfer that money to fixing bridges went down to defeat, 14-82. South Carolina GOP Sen. Jim DeMint’s proposal to waive Davis-Bacon wage mandates for repairing structurally deficient bridges was also voted down, 37-56.
New & notable legislation

Rep. Marsha Blackburn (R-TN) introduced the Charlie Norwood CLEAR Act (H.R. 3494), which would allow state law-enforcement authorities to assist in enforcing federal immigration laws with greater ease.

Rep. Patrick McHenry (R-NC) introduced H.Res. 641, marking the 220th anniversary of the signing of the U.S. Constitution on Monday, 17 September.

The Senate approved last week Tom Coburn’s amendment to withhold all appropriations to the UN “until the secretary of state certifies that the United Nations [and subsidiaries] is fully and publicly transparent about all of its spending, including procurement purposes.” The U.S. currently sends about $5.3 billion per year to the UN.
Around the nation: Back-door gun control in CA

Gun-control advocates claimed victory in California as a “microstamping” bill passed the state’s assembly. The measure, known as the “Crime Gun Identification Act” (AB 1471), would require all new models of semiautomatic pistols sold in California after 2010 to be microscopically engraved with an identification number, which would be transferred onto the cartridge casing when fired. The Brady Campaign calls it an “important new tool in solving gun crimes” and Brady Campaign President Paul Helmke claimed it would “help cut off an important source of crime guns...by reducing the illegal flow of handguns into the black market.” Pro-Second Amendment groups countered that the bill would become a de facto gun ban by drastically increasing the cost of buying a new pistol. “Many manufacturers will choose to abandon the California market rather than incur substantial costs associated with complying with microstamping legislation,” argued Lawrence Keane of the National Shooting Sports Foundation.

Other flaws with the bill are that the technology is unproven and comes from a single source and it fails to address the possibility of stolen microstamped weapons implicating innocent persons.

Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger has not announced whether he will sign the bill, but a similar bill failed in the assembly last year.


Striking another blow against Democrats’ best hope for victory in state elections—namely, rampant election fraud—U.S. District Judge Harold Murphy tossed out a lawsuit aimed at preventing Georgia from enforcing a statute requiring a valid photo ID to vote. The sham lawsuit claimed that elderly and poor voters were being unfairly discriminated against because they were the ones least likely to have such an ID. Sure... except of course, that they all do. Noting the claimants’ failure to produce even one “victim” unable to get a photo ID, Judge Murphy also commented, “Plaintiffs are hard-pressed to show that voters in Georgia, in general, are not aware of the photo ID requirement.”

Discontent with similar judicial epiphanies deriving from voter fraud, leftists have resorted to their next best tactic: labeling Republicans racists—how innovative. (Yawn.) The Demos’ propaganda machine churned out crowds chanting slave songs, wielding shackles and invoking images of resurgent Jim Crow laws. Responding to these histrionics, NPR correspondent Juan Williams—no stranger to liberalism—offered this to the would-be deprived: “I think you could say to people, ‘Go and get a legitimate ID.’ I don’t think that’s too much to ask.” We don’t think so, either.






NATIONAL SECURITY
Immigration front: San-ctuary Francisco

San Francisco has been a sanctuary city for illegal aliens since its board of supervisors proclaimed so in 1989. Mayor Gavin Newsome has also joined the fray, prohibiting city employees (that would include police) from inquiring about immigration status or cooperating with federal immigration efforts in any way. Now, city Supervisor Tom Ammiano wants to issue city ID cards to help further protect illegals from the long arm of the law (not exactly the legitimate ID required for voters in Georgia). Ammiano worries, for example, that illegal aliens who are victims of a crime or witness a crime (not to mention those who commit crime) don’t come forward for fear of being deported for not having proper identification.

According to the Government Accountability Office, 55,322 criminal aliens incarcerated in 2003 had been arrested a total of 459,614 times. If they had only had proper ID, perhaps they wouldn’t have turned to a life of crime—at least in the upside-down world of San Francisco.

Meanwhile, also in the city by the bay, U.S. District Court Judge Maxine Chesney ruled that the Department of Homeland Security couldn’t send “no match” letters to employers when an employee’s Social Security number doesn’t match Social Security Administration records. As Investor’s Business Daily muses, “We don’t see how proving you are who you say you are—something we all do on a routine basis—poses a hardship for citizens or legal residents. Nor do we see how giving IDs out like candy to illegal aliens makes us safer or benefits society.”





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Profiles of valor: Marine Corps Res. Sgt. Hunter

Marine Corps Reserve Sergeant Jeff Hunter has twice faced death to save injured comrades. In May 2005, insurgents ambushed then-Corporal Hunter’s platoon as it embarked on a dawn assault in Haditha. When Hunter’s squad leader entered a nearby house to stop the insurgents who were attacking from within, he was shot in the chest. Seeing his fallen leader, Hunter rushed into the house under shield of his own M16, reached his squad leader, and, positioning his own body between the injured Marine and the enemy, carried his comrade out of the house. Hunter then led his troops in successfully clearing the house of insurgents, killing one and capturing three.

Two months later, in a long and intense battle, insurgents shot one of Hunter’s Marines. After shooting the two insurgents from the shelter of a low wall, Hunter attempted to rescue the fallen Marine. Heavy gunfire, however, stopped his two attempts. Hunter then sprinted directly through the line of fire to an M1A1 tank located across the street. He used the tank to fire upon and neutralize the enemy’s position, and his platoon was able to reach and recover the mortally wounded Marine.

For his valor, Sgt. Hunter was awarded the Silver Star. Although Hunter claims of his actions, “I honestly don’t believe I did anything all that heroic,” America believes differently.





Homeland Security front: Cargo inspection

Port security has long been a hotly debated homeland-security topic. The latest tiff over the issue involves exactly who should be inspecting incoming cargo on passenger planes. Currently, airlines are handling screening with Transportation Security Administration (TSA) oversight. Some congressional Democrats, however, no doubt posturing as national-security hawks, are pushing for government workers to inspect the cargo—and we all know how much better government workers do things than those in the private sector. Rep. Bennie Thompson (D-MS), chairman of the Homeland Security Committee, opined, “We are convinced that responsibility for this should remain that of the government and not be pushed out to some other individual.”

The TSA argues that current law simply requires that government standards be met, regardless of who is doing the meeting. To wit, TSA’s administrator, Kip Hawley, said, “The clear intention of the legislation is to make sure packages that get onto passenger aircraft have to be physically inspected at some level. How can we do it in an operationally effective way so we don’t kill the industry or require massive increases in TSA resources? How do we do it in a way to add security to the existing freight process rather than force the freight process to conform to our security process?” An important quandary, to be sure. We’re not in any way claiming that current cargo inspections are perfectly thorough, 100-percent adequate or failsafe. We are saying that we don’t trust Democrats to establish the methods to be used.





BUSINESS & ECONOMY
Income Redistribution: Hillary to the rescue

On the campaign trail, Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-Havana) promised that, if elected president, she would save Social Security. Thank goodness we have Democrats to “save” Social Security after every election. The catch to Hillary’s plan, though, is that she will not cut benefits, raise the retirement age or privatize. Absent those three good solutions, the only one left is the incredibly bad and irresponsible one: a massive tax hike, the prescription of every Democrat.

When looking at the staggering obligations of Social Security, it’s hard to imagine that a tax hike will fix anything. According to The Washington Times, “In present dollars, Social Security’s projected unfunded obligations over a 75-year horizon are $4.7 trillion. Considering that the U.S. Treasury must find $2 trillion to redeem the bonds presently in the Social Security trust funds, the total unfunded obligation is actually $2 trillion higher than this for a total of $6.7 trillion. Over an infinite horizon, Social Security’s present-dollar unfunded obligation is projected to be $15.6 trillion.” That’s a whole heap of confiscated income for younger Americans.

Oh yeah, and then there’s Medicare. The Times notes, “For Part A alone, the 75-year unfunded liability is $11.6 trillion.”

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Gaming the uninsured statistics

We’ve all heard it: 47 million uninsured Americans, or nearly one in six of us. Obviously, the only solution to such a disease is socialized medicine.

However, before making such a huge change maybe we ought to take a look at the facts. For these purposes, we will pretend that 47 million is an accurate number, not just an inflation-adjusted one derived from an ancient, flawed study. Do you ever hear that, within four months, 45 percent of that 47 million (20 million) will have insurance? What about the fact that 17 million of the uninsured can afford insurance (i.e., they remain uninsured by choice)? Or that more than nine million are not even citizens?

No? When you add up all the numbers, dump out the duplicates and subtract the misinformation, fewer than nine million of our citizens go involuntarily without insurance—a troubling number, but no reason to panic. In health care, as in every other area of human endeavor, a freedom-based market approach works best to produce desired services at the lowest prices (unlike every socialized-medicine approach in history). On the other hand, if we do turn to the market, citizens would not be beholden to Congress for more crumbs. No, better to keep the problem big, so it is worthy of their lordships’ attention, and there is enough money and power available to bother grabbing.
Manufacturing stronger than media thinks

The demagogues and populists on the campaign trail are once again striking fear in the hearts of Americans by pointing out the great dangers of freedom—free trade, that is. We’re regularly told that, due to foreign competition, American manufacturing is dwindling and corporate outsourcing is destroying our labor market at home. These claims may please the unions and they may help cram protectionist trade laws through Congress, but they have the one weakness of being patently false. A mere glance at the data from 2006 shows that the manufacturing industry is doing as well as ever, achieving record output, sales and profits. Even the feared trade deficit is misleading, as over 55 percent of our imports were industrial components intended for American producers. The world economy is growing and that means increasing demands for American goods—or it does if we can keep the demagogues in Congress from creating greater barriers to trade.

If industry is doing fine, why all the fear? The fretting is due to the fact that manufacturing employment has declined over the past several years. But when manufacturing output is increasing to record-setting and world-leading levels, a decline in employment indicates that productivity has been increasing (more output per worker makes fewer workers required to produce the same total output). This often results in workers shifting employment from one sector of the economy to another as has happened as demand increases in the technology and service industries. This big-picture view often infuriates those individuals who have lost jobs—and we hear from them. We don’t take losing a job lightly, or flippantly cast it aside, but just as the buggy repairmen were unemployed by the invention of the automobile, our current economy raises living standards and creates wealth for everyone. Capitalism is, after all, a system of “creative destruction.”




CULTURE
Frontiers of Junk Science: Computer models

A new report indicates that global warming may be bad for your health. Physicians worry that anticipated rises in earth’s temperature are likely to be associated with increased heart problems. According to Dr. Karin Schenck-Gustafsson of Sweden’s Karolinska Institute, “If it really is a few degrees warmer in the next 50 years, we could definitely have more cardiovascular disease.” The reason? Experts liken the hardening of the heart’s arteries to the formation of rust on an automobile. As Dr. Gordon Tomaselli, chief of cardiology at Johns Hopkins University, explains, “Rust develops much more quickly at warm temperatures.”

In addition to the doom and gloom predictions of human impact, the global-warming caravan is also concerned with the polar-bear population, as scientists forecast that by 2050, 42 percent of the Artic sea ice necessary for polar-bear survival will have melted. All they need as proof is this picture. Worse still, some scientists believe conditions are worsening more quickly than their computer models indicate.

Translation: Computer models may be wrong.

For a culture that worships at the altar of evolution, why the focused interest in interfering in the evolution of the polar-bear population? Wouldn’t this belie the very foundation of evolutionary survival? After all, if polar bears can’t survive, mustn’t that be evolutionary fate?
Indeed, global-warming groupies have a dilemma on their hands, but they have no time for that now. They are too busy fixing their computers to match their predictions and of course, computers are not the only things that predict future climate. The Old Farmer’s Almanac for 2008 predicts the hottest year in a century next year because, well, years that end in “8” have strange weather.




From the Leftjudiciary: Freedom from crosses

Last week the Ninth “Circus” Court was again operating in judicial-tyranny mode, refusing to obey laws enacted by Congress—all in order to dismember a veterans’ memorial incorporating a small cross. The property in question is California’s Mojave Desert Memorial that includes a small white cross as a monument to World War I veterans. It has stood for over three-quarters of a century. In 2004, Congress passed a law transferring five acres of federal land containing the memorial to private ownership to prevent precisely this type of anti-religious, anti-freedom judicial despotism. Yet the court still seems hell-bent on its mission of Judeo-Christian cleansing, demanding that the property must remain in federal-government ownership—for the sole purpose, it seems, of cutting down the cross and preventing veterans from honoring their comrades’ sacrifice as they and the veterans’ families choose.
 

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The legal profession doesn't call the Ninth the "9th Circus" for no reason at all. I'd guess that this will be another one where they *(as is frequently the case) get reversed by the High Nine in DC.
 

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In "Treason" by Ann Coulter she clearly details that the Democrat Party always side with the enemies of America. Stupid? No, treasonous!
 

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"Calling democrats traitors because they don't agree with you..."

MauserBoy, you really need to read Ann Coulter's book "Treason". In it she lays it all out about the treasonous Democrat Party, going back to FDR.

Convinced me. The modern day Democrat Party is the party of treason. Then and now.

I'm a Mauser Boy too ( 24/47 & a Turked Gewehr 98 ).

Irgun.
I find it best not to read straight from the warhawk mouth. Both parties have done treasonous acts against our country. As citizens we shouldn't become ideologues to a particular party we should form our own opinions after hearing what both sides have to say and by sticking to our Constitution and our traditions as a nation. We should not go to war without a declaration. We should not be out looking for fights.



oh and retmarine_2003, nice cut and paste stories. But you failed to come up with any argument what so ever in regard to what I posted. Try Again.
 

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There is a simple reason why I didn't come up with an argument to anything you posted, Mouser boy.

Everything you posted was fictitious or half-truth crap.

Everything I posted has really happened.

Simple enough for you?
 

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ok all out there,

I feel that there is one basic question to be asked here. (maybe over simplistic but).

Do we as a nation stay in Iraq, or cut and run.

Now I think that we have to list pro and con to each answer.

I can say that I have thought long and hard and can honestly say I feel that we need to stay and finish that what we started and promised the people of Iraq we would do! It is this statement that I brought up about peasants and communism, and as has been pointed out they don't get what was promised but are just used as cannon fodder. Just tell me that the average Iraqi doesn't want a safe, happy life for thier family. They want to see life go by, kid grow and start the cycle over again. Answer me this oh those who wish us out of there, If we leave now, can the Iraqi people build rafts and boat to get away. Will it be ok for them to sneak in the USA somehow and have a child so they can stay? I have been told that we can not be the worlds police force, but actions tell me that we can become the worlds welfare office. Charity begins at home, so lets help them have a home that they can be safe in!

We need to be realistic about the world, now and tomorrow. We have to be interested in long term effects to our actions, not the quick "make you feel good" actions (ie whipping off a quick cruise missle at Old man osama) of the past Democratic admin. We have backed too many dictators and despotes around the world over the pastyears (yes this goes back to the turn of the 19th century). It is time that we stop and really mean what we say and say what we mean. If it is wrong it needs to be wrong.

NEXT. I am sick of all the politicians running around and telling the public what needs to be done by our military. Bluntly put: WHAT MILITARY ACADEMY DID YOU GRADUATE FROM, AND WHERE (WHAT BATTLE) DID YOU LEARN HOW TO PUT THAT EDUCATION TO WORK. I would not think of telling a banker how to handle the federal fund nightmare, and expect him not to tell me how to run an X Ray machine in the Operation Room! Tell them to throw out the book "How to Make Statistics Lie", they are only helping themselves......Oh I forgot thats what they want to do.

Don't get me wrong I love this country and will die for her if asked to (except unless they get so hard up like the Nazi's did at the end of WWII they would just laugh me away...who needs an over the hill reasearcher back out there). Just being able to kick this stuff around without anyone getting angry and sending the seceret police to my door..............wait is that a knock at my door? But seriously we need to turn things back in time. Back to a time when we worked together and trusted those who did the jobs that were asked of them. I don't think that Robert E Lee would be left to do his job today as he was back during the Civil (I am a true Yankee up here in Maine)War.

We need to have our leaders stop lining pockets and spewing "pork" across the land. Close our boarders, take care of our old and sick, and get off Oil. Here in Maine we have some of the highest energy costs in the nation. Since the 1960 the liberal masses have fought each and every attempt at providing cheaper power; Dickey Lincolin dam poject, Quaddy tidal project, countless other smaller dams, wind power, and even got our only nuclear plant closed. But guess what they all want to turn on thier lights and entertainment, after parking the car don't you know! All this when oil was 60 cents a gallon for heating and you could go a week around town on ten bucks. I love to fish and hunt, but I want to be warm more!

FINALLY (and you thought I would never stop- my wife made me go shopping with her so I had a break) Nothing will change until we develop new energy sources.
Anyone who thinks that terror and terrorist are going to stop and leave us alone just because we leave is "Nuts" (IMHO). This isn't a storybook tale. Radical Islam has been at war with someone since they formed. Always one sect against another. But now they, Radical Islam, have informed the world that only they have the right to exist and they will not stop until all nonbelievers are gone.

Please wake up and smell the coffee!

Rick
 

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There is a simple reason why I didn't come up with an argument to anything you posted, Mouser boy.

Everything you posted was fictitious or half-truth crap.

Everything I posted has really happened.

Simple enough for you?
You are full of horse poo. Its very true what I posted. You are just letting your blind faith in a broken ideology lead you to conclusions that are incorrect.
 

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Here is what some of the Dems had to say about the situation in Iraq all the way back to the 1990's to just before the invasion.

In thier own words:

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face." Madeline Albright, Clinton Secrtary of State, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983." Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U. S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process" Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies" Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, Dec 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them." Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." Al Gore, Former Clinton Vice-President, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." Al Gore, Former Clinton Vice-President, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction." Sen. Jay Rockeffer (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do" Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ..... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"[W]ithout question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ..." Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003
 

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The two parties are the same?!

Umm, no, it says that Dems are political oportunists who change thier position whenever it suits thier need.

Now, the same Dems who supported the war, now say it was all a lie!?!?

Dems are polital whores who will sell out to whom ever will get them back in power.
 

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The two parties are the same?!

Umm, no, it says that Dems are political oportunists who change thier position whenever it suits thier need.

Now, the same Dems who supported the war, now say it was all a lie!?!?

Dems are polital whores who will sell out to whom ever will get them back in power.
The same way Bush and the Republicans were against foreign intervention in 2000 but in 2001-2002 we were for foreign intervention in the affairs of other nations?

Small things may differ, but major policies do not.

We still have 730 permanent military installations in 130 countries. The military industrial complex has so much control over the system it isn't even funny. We still have an Income tax system and an IRS, which are ruthless and immoral in their collection habits. We still encourage the welfare state. We sign on to organizations that subvert or soverignty. There are still others, these are just ones off the top of my head.
 

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Just as a point of information: the welfare state was a Democratic invention....
 

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Just as a point of information: the welfare state was a Democratic invention....
Then why have Republicans not trimmed it down?

Why did Bush push for a senior prescription drug benefit that further bankrupted this country? And more importantly WHY DID REPUBLICANS VOTE FOR IT????
Why did Republicans double the size of the department of education rather than eliminating it?
 
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