[nwellons]

The extravagant price for today's 91/38 is the subject of another thread on this forum. Now seems to be a good time to post mine and my general thoughts on M91/38s. For those who missed the other thread, an 1895 Sestroryetsk 91/38 sold today for $4,085 shipped. Whether the winning bidder will follow through is another discussion. I keep up with 91/38s and have seen 16 sell since I started watching in 2009. The most expensive one until now went at $715 for an 1896 Izhevsk with a KA3 mark. Note: all matching 91/38s are as common as all matching refurbed M44s and 91/30. They are restamped or ep'd. Correction, I just found that the $715 rifle was re-listed and later sold for $ 550. The second lowest in my database sold for $738 but was also re-listed and sold a few weeks later for $582 shipped. These were from the same dealer. The $582 is the record high in my database.The average price of all in my database except the $4,085 one mentioned above is $397 shipped.

I decided to post my Czech refurbs for a reality check. Top rifle is an 1892 Chatellerault, from the first shipment that went to Russia. It was converted into a 91/38 using an old M91 or Dragoon stock without a crossbolt. It even has the M44 bayonet groove that is often found on these. I don't generally name my rifles but I call this one "Smallpox."Lots of light/moderate pitting on the exposed surfaces; under the wood it looks brand new. I paid $230 shipped on a Gunbroker buy now option in 2009.

Bottom rifle is a 1897 Tula in a newer wartime stock. Nice condition, it is my monthly shooter at the local range. I bought it on the Gunboard's Trader for $350 in 2011 because I wanted one with a crossbolt. I have shot the Chatellerault, but in a stock that normally houses my hex M44.

Sorry for the attachment glitch. I don't know what happened buy you can enlarge the same photos below.

 

[jbsx]

Looks like $8k worth of rifles there. I think we'll see Larry re-listing his sestro again.
Both neat looking carbines. The 92 is one you don't see very often, or at all. Thanks for posting the pics.

 

[milprileb]

Nwellons,

Would you clear up something for me? The 91/38 were all done by the Czech's? I was under the impression this was done by the Soviets?

 

[nwellons]

See the following for info:

http://www.mosinnagant.net/global%20mosin%20nagants/mosin_nagant_m9138_carbine.asp
http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinM9138.htm

 

[Makarov_EG]

The extravagant price for today's 91/38 is the subject of another thread on this forum. Now seems to be a good time to post mine and my general thoughts on M91/38s. For those who missed the other thread, an 1895 Sestroryetsk 91/38 sold today for $4,085 shipped. Whether the winning bidder will follow through is another discussion. I keep up with 91/38s and have seen 16 sell since I started watching in 2009. The most expensive one until now went at $715 for an 1896 Izhevsk with a KA3 mark. Note: all matching 91/38s are as common as all matching refurbed M44s and 91/30. They are restamped or ep'd. Correction, I just found that the $715 rifle was re-listed and later sold for $ 550. The second lowest in my database sold for $738 but was also re-listed and sold a few weeks later for $582 shipped. These were from the same dealer. The $582 is the record high in my database.The average price of all in my database except the $4,085 one mentioned above is $397 shipped.

I decided to post my Czech refurbs for a reality check. Top rifle is an 1892 Chatellerault, from the first shipment that went to Russia. It was converted into a 91/38 using an old M91 or Dragoon stock without a crossbolt. It even has the M44 bayonet groove that is often found on these. I don't generally name my rifles but I call this one "Smallpox."Lots of light/moderate pitting on the exposed surfaces; under the wood it looks brand new. I paid $230 shipped on a Gunbroker buy now option in 2009.

Bottom rifle is a 1897 Tula in a newer wartime stock. Nice condition, it is my monthly shooter at the local range. I bought it on the Gunboard's Trader for $350 in 2011 because I wanted one with a crossbolt. I have shot the Chatellerault, but in a stock that normally houses my hex M44.

Sorry for the attachment glitch. I don't know what happened buy you can enlarge the same photos below.

I disagree with you that they are as common as a M-44 or 91/30. No way. I can give you links all day for those on GB, but show me another 91/38 auction! They are rare in the sense that there are fewer good examples and collectors don't want to give them up...... Are they worth 4K? No but no way are they even remotely M44 prices.

So if I offer you even 500 for your Chattelreault you would sell in a heartbeat?

Really??? C'mon now........

 

[zeebill]

Yeah I tend to think the 91/38 is not quite seen that often myself. I do know one thing that may be a reason for not seeing them listed that much, people do not know what they are or just flat miss-ID them. I have see quite a few ID'd as M38's or modified M44's or miss marked 91/59's even. I will admit to taking advantage of one dealer who had a bubba'd M44 for $125 at a show once. It resold for $350 the next day from my table, Friday night set-up at gun shows can turn up the best deals at times. Bill

 

[mike 76]

I dont think he is saying they are as common as a m44 or m38,just that like m44s and m38s it is common for them to be all matching.After all he did say he has only seen 16 sell in the last 3 years.

 

[martin08]

My 1899 is almost an antique. It was the only one that I had ever seen listed at the time, with a BIN of $275. It lasted a few days at that price, IIRC. But after some research, I figured that if I wanted one, I had better act.

But I'll take 1/2 price for it now if you are interested, Neal. A check or money order for $1042.50 will do. Shipped, of course.

 

[nwellons]

I dont think he is saying they are as common as a m44 or m38,just that like m44s and m38s it is common for them to be all matching.After all he did say he has only seen 16 sell in the last 3 years.

Sorry for the confusion. Mike got it right. I just meant all matching is common on all 91/38s, just like it is common on refurbed 91/30s and M44s.

No, 91/38s are not common at all.

 

[LVSteve]

...and to complete the set, a wooden crossbolt example.

 

[nwellons]

I'm envious. Very cool to have the wooden crossbolt. I have 2 in M91s but they have been drilled through and a metal one added.

Arsenal markings are sharp and clear, too.

Great carbine.

 

[hoosier8]

Now I don't feel bad at all for buying a 1906 M91/38 for $175.

 

[jindodog]

I (over)paid $450 for this cossack marked one two years ago.

 

[nwellons]

I (over)paid $450 for this cossack marked one two years ago.

I'm not so sure you overpaid. Great markings and serial #. Lots of very cool guns were turned into 91/38's. I think they are the next best thing to M1907 carbines. Nice length and cool markings. Wish I could find more - reasonably priced.

 

[themosinator]

Have NEVER ever even seen one out here in CA!!...

 

[Jim]

Yeah I tend to think the 91/38 is not quite seen that often myself. I do know one thing that may be a reason for not seeing them listed that much, people do not know what they are or just flat miss-ID them. I have see quite a few ID'd as M38's or modified M44's or miss marked 91/59's even. I will admit to taking advantage of one dealer who had a bubba'd M44 for $125 at a show once. It resold for $350 the next day from my table, Friday night set-up at gun shows can turn up the best deals at times. Bill

My 91/38 came in from Century as a cracked stock 91/59. I think I paid about 70.00 a few years back.