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Crudest Last ditch rifle ever


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Topic author: Josh man
Subject: Crudest Last ditch rifle ever
Posted on: 11/20/2006 9:54:36 PM
Message:
Post the crudest last ditch rifle you have ever seen.​

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Reply author: jarjarbinks11
Replied on: 11/21/2006 4:00:49 PM
Message:
you first

Reply author: mbksnook
Replied on: 11/21/2006 4:50:53 PM
Message:
This is the riughest wood I have seen.......the rest of the rifle is not so bad.....have seen other in similiar condition, but not any worse....

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The pictures don't do it justice

Reply author: rpf2697
Replied on: 11/21/2006 5:12:09 PM
Message:
mbksnook,
That is a great example of a rough last ditch... I especially like the heavy file depressions on the stock on the wrist between the tangs. The welded safety is also great! Are the numbers matching? That would be fun to shoot.

Reply author: mbksnook
Replied on: 11/21/2006 6:12:43 PM
Message:
Bolt is not matching but with all that character.....so what....I bought this at a show with the bolt stuck.....while walking around, I managed to open it and found it had a live 8mm round stuck in it.....bought it cheap and it doubled in value before I left the show

Reply author: Bushido101
Replied on: 11/21/2006 6:22:49 PM
Message:
Very nice rifle, I like the later made rifles with the rough worked wood. It looks great.

Reply author: jarjarbinks11
Replied on: 11/21/2006 6:28:02 PM
Message:
just playing withthe camera for some new shots of this series 11 Nagoya rifle. it has no grooves for the dustcover and the front abnd is not drilled for a sling swivel. i think this is just before the rope hole rifles were produced. not much finish left on it (i doubt it had much in the beginning) but it is all matching.



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Reply author: Josh man
Replied on: 11/25/2006 9:06:45 PM
Message:
That first one looks like somebody tried to carve out the stock


Reply author: Reichpapers
Replied on: 11/28/2006 11:25:39 PM
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Reply author: Bushido101
Replied on: 11/29/2006 10:08:25 AM
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I really like the late made rifles with the chatter marks on the stock. That last rifle is really great.

Reply author: Nagoya10
Replied on: 11/29/2006 7:01:51 PM
Message:
I have a late 25th series Kokura, #71295, that has lots of stock chatter and very rough receiver and floorplate machining. This rifle's stock seems to be a bit thicker than my other T-99 stocks and the rear peep sight is much thicker than what I have seen on my Nagoya's. Here are a few pics:

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Reply author: Bushido101
Replied on: 11/29/2006 7:26:06 PM
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I have a 24th. series Kokura, that look's like the same guy that made your 25th may have made my 24th the stock markings on the wrist of the stock look identical to yours. Thats a nice looking rifle.

Reply author: Checkmate454
Replied on: 11/29/2006 8:10:30 PM
Message:
Good lookin lastditch Reich..

Reply author: Nagoya10
Replied on: 11/29/2006 11:16:30 PM
Message:
Thanks Bushido! Its actually one of my favorite Arisaka's. Seems that later Kokura's have that signature chattering on the stocks quite a lot.

Reply author: Josh man
Replied on: 12/02/2006 5:05:23 PM
Message:
I love chatter marks, it really gives you a taste of how much of a hurry they were in.

Reply author: skorzeny
Replied on: 12/03/2006 05:53:26 AM
Message:
I used to have a friend who collected and sold militaria.He knew that I was looking for an Arisaka and one day he brought me the one he had aquired.It was the crudest ,most poorly machined last ditch That I have ever seen and believe me I have seen my fair share.The sling was even a rope stuck thru the hole in the stock with a knot tied to keep it in place.Knowing now what I didnt know then I have been kicking myself in the butt eversince.I could have bought it for a song.waaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Reply author: davef
Replied on: 12/03/2006 08:41:08 AM
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I have a jinsen of "uncertain parentage" in my grouping..I think its a late war build up of rejected rifle..and I had a series 27 ropehole that was beyond rough, it passed on to the great arisaka gathering in.... northern Alabama (you thought I was gonna say heaven dintcha'?? ,its close tho)...saw a couple weird last ditch things over the years that "Rough" or "crude" dont even come close to describing...

Reply author: Josh man
Replied on: 12/03/2006 5:45:14 PM
Message:
How common are ropehole rifles?

Reply author: davef
Replied on: 12/03/2006 10:35:23 PM
Message:
About as rare as hens teeth Josh...maybe 3000+- series 27's about the same number of nagoya's (11th and 12th series combined) and a very very few Howa 9's....maybe a total of 8000 guns or less out of total T-99 production...between the war,amatuer gunsmiths,and well meaning "restorers" changing the stocks..a lot less than that survive...for rare stock variations , TJK27 has two scarce ones...early TJK27 were late war substitute rifles,but assembled on early war stocks,so you have wood butt plates,pinned bayo lugs and single screw swivels but the stocks are inletted for all the other stuff...and very late you have ropehole stocks.. a man could make a neat collection of just varient TJK27

Reply author: Reichpapers
Replied on: 12/03/2006 10:39:53 PM
Message:
I bought the rifle a few days ago for $117. It has no mum and a missmatched bolt...bore is mint. I don't trust the head space. Are the bolts supposed to have a lot of forward and back play when closed but not cocked?

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Reply author: mariko
Replied on: 12/03/2006 11:08:23 PM
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Hi Reichpapers,my TJK 27th has almost 1/8 inch play in the bolt.It has .026 headspace.I just unscrew the sizing die to compensate for it.No problems with cases stretching.Oil the cases the first time you shoot them.Got that tip out of Ackleys book.--Mariko

Reply author: hetai
Replied on: 12/03/2006 11:26:06 PM
Message:
Just a quick question about rope slings: Has anyone seen a rope sling tied onto sling swivels? I have a mid-transitional 99 that I bought years ago with an 8mm (roughly) diameter hemp rope eye-spliced onto the swivels, been on there for ages, has an original look & feel to it. Anyone else have anything like this or see one before?

Reply author: Checkmate454
Replied on: 12/04/2006 01:23:39 AM
Message:
I saw a picture of one that was woven onto the front swivel and tied thru the buttstock with a knot.

Never seen one in person like that though...

Reply author: jarjarbinks11
Replied on: 12/04/2006 09:47:45 AM
Message:
nice looking rifle reichpapers. are you aure you arent missing some bolt parts? japanese rifles cannot close the bolt without cocking the firing pin. also, could you post a pic of the serial number and the amrks around it? im curious as to who made that bad boy!

Reply author: mariko
Replied on: 12/04/2006 10:38:54 AM
Message:
The end play on the bolt occurs after the cocked empty rifle has been dry fired,is that right Reichpapers?---Mariko

Reply author: Reichpapers
Replied on: 12/04/2006 10:44:14 AM
Message:
My rifle was made by Tokyo Juki Kogyo, Series 27. When I cock the bolt, then press the trigger, that is when the bolt is in battery but not cocked.

Reply author: davef
Replied on: 12/04/2006 10:58:09 AM
Message:
Actually most t-38's and some t-99 will close without cocking,my palm is still bruised from testing the method a week ago (Had to go pay the G/F's phone bill,that Id spent on a nice S-7,Just to make up with her.left me short and some so-and-so stole a nice jinsen out from under me cause I was broke)...sounds a bit sloppy but if it isnt loose when cocked it shouldnt be a problem (unless the play is really bad).cocked its tight and on firing the case expand to fill the chamber front and back,Id have someone who knows about arisaka look at it tho, what Id judge as an acceptable fit and what you do might be totally differnt..dont want any next of kin running around sayin "davef said it was ok"....Just kidding on the jinsen thing.

Reply author: Bushido101
Replied on: 12/04/2006 11:44:32 AM
Message:
Mine has some front to back movement when it is not cocked. Very little when cocked.

Reply author: Reichpapers
Replied on: 12/04/2006 1:58:31 PM
Message:
Does anyone sell no go and go gauges for these?

Reply author: Reichpapers
Replied on: 12/04/2006 6:46:34 PM
Message:


quote: Originally posted by jarjarbinks11

nice looking rifle reichpapers. are you aure you arent missing some bolt parts? japanese rifles cannot close the bolt without cocking the firing pin. also, could you post a pic of the serial number and the amrks around it? im curious as to who made that bad boy!


First time taking the bolt apart. Anything missing?


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Reply author: Bushido101
Replied on: 12/04/2006 7:05:13 PM
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Nothing missing

Reply author: jarjarbinks11
Replied on: 12/04/2006 7:34:18 PM
Message:
nope, nothing missing. i dont own a 99 that will go closed without cocking the bolt....anyone know if that "feature" is found on late production rifles only?

Reply author: Reichpapers
Replied on: 12/04/2006 9:49:18 PM
Message:
I think we have a missunderstanding. The bolt only closes when cocked, but after firing, it is in the closed position and uncocked.

Reply author: Checkmate454
Replied on: 12/05/2006 01:54:48 AM
Message:


quote: Originally posted by Reichpapers

I think we have a missunderstanding. The bolt only closes when cocked, but after firing, it is in the closed position and uncocked.


Unless you know the Mauser action trick! You know?!? Bolt open....hold down the trigger as you close the bolt...Bolt closes and it is uncocked when closed.....Avoids dryfires...FWIW..

Reply author: Josh man
Replied on: 12/10/2006 4:50:17 PM
Message:
I remember seeing a really late rifle that never had a mum stamped on to it.

Reply author: Bushido101
Replied on: 12/10/2006 8:52:27 PM
Message:
Josh man I have one last ditch rifle full mum, matching Nagoya, that I bought years ago, when this stuff was cheap that I paid $15.00 for, It is very rough made though, but looks near near for a late made rifle.

Reply author: Josh man
Replied on: 12/15/2006 5:08:07 PM
Message:
Howabout this, I will pay you double what you payed for it.(I wish)

Reply author: Bushido101
Replied on: 12/15/2006 5:33:15 PM
Message:
I don't think so.

Reply author: killertom
Replied on: 12/15/2006 7:07:59 PM
Message:


quote: Originally posted by Checkmate454

quote: Originally posted by Reichpapers

I think we have a missunderstanding. The bolt only closes when cocked, but after firing, it is in the closed position and uncocked.


Unless you know the Mauser action trick! You know?!? Bolt open....hold down the trigger as you close the bolt...Bolt closes and it is uncocked when closed.....Avoids dryfires...FWIW..
Yeah, and thats a perfect way to lock up an Arisaka action...
Arisakas can be decocked another way.

Reply author: mbksnook
Replied on: 12/20/2006 10:16:33 PM
Message:
I own one Arisaka Izawa trainer that can be decocked in the mauser fashion....it has reliefs milled intp the bolt body........all others don't work....I too tried the palm trick from a couple weeks ago......no luck here either


Reply author: arisakadogs
Replied on: 12/21/2006 12:43:06 AM
Message:
Were you off the trigger when applying the palm? Some folks just can't seem to get this.



 
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