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Hi all, just picked up my second Carcano from Buds. The first one was a 91/24 from Terni with an easy to identify "18" showing it was made in 1918. However, my new 91TS from Buds doesn't seem to have any dates other than the cartouche on the buttstock. It also seems to have been overstamped on the left part of the barrel.

Any help dating this rifle would be appreciated! Thanks!
 

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There is a small CN marking on the right side of the barrel but that picture did not load for some reason.
 

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Usually the date on a Brescia is on the opposite side of the serial number. That’s where your “CN” marking is?

Is there a marking over or under the serial number?

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Usually the date on a Brescia is on the opposite side of the serial number. That’s where your “CN” marking is?

Is there a marking over or under the serial number?

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The BH1094 looks to be stamped on top of whatever the vaguely diamond shaped stamp is. I think I've got the right side picture to load. It's a small CN, There is also the random 8 on top of the barrel that I'm unsure of.
 

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The mark under the serial number, looks to be the same diamond shaped N VC/B cartouche noted by pascucci91/41 on a 91 TSM he had recently picked up. His was on the opposite side of the chamber. And not that I understand the ins and out of all these but on your chambers RH side beneath the CN appear a small, upside down "947".

Italy did frequently date things and drop the "1" at least into the 50s. I have some 953 dated ammo.

Perhaps they fit an older serviceable barrel or maybe its NOS. They probably had no concern for the original manufacture date just the last time it was at arsenal and where, so it may have been scrubbed off the barrel.

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I think the small “947” is the FAT 1947 refurb stamp. It’s really small on a few that I’ve gotten also
 

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I already forgot the source, but; I am glad I saved these tables when last posted.
(maybe the iL91.IT website, I will let others correct that if they would be so kind)

I make it 1918.

BH1094 more easily read from the stock, but also stamped on barrel.

There must be more to the story. That is all I have.

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I already forgot the source, but; I am glad I saved these tables when last posted.
(maybe the iL91.IT website, I will let others correct that if they would be so kind)

I make it 1918.

BH1094 more easily read from the stock, but also stamped on barrel.

There must be more to the story. That is all I have.

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That is great! It seems just to be a one off that missed the date stamp in addition to the odd double stamp. I guess it's got some quirks. Thank you!
 

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The mark under the serial number, looks to be the same diamond shaped N VC/B cartouche noted by pascucci91/41 on a 91 TSM he had recently picked up. His was on the opposite side of the chamber. And not that I understand the ins and out of all these but on your chambers RH side beneath the CN appear a small, upside down "947".

Italy did frequently date things and drop the "1" at least into the 50s. I have some 953 dated ammo.

Perhaps they fit an older serviceable barrel or maybe its NOS. They probably had no concern for the original manufacture date just the last time it was at arsenal and where, so it may have been scrubbed off the barrel.

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Thank you!
 

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If this is a Castelli rebuild, it dates to the mid-20s. SW
 

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If this is a Castelli rebuild, it dates to the mid-20s. SW
Me and the OP are new to this, perhaps to clarify:

Would you say originally built in 1918 with old style stock and bayonet lug, or not completed in 18?

Next rebuilt & restocked in the 1920's or built up from left over parts, thus no date?

Finally refurbished in 1947?
 

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You can see they over stamped the 1928 over another date that was originally there.
This probably was a re-build at that time where they used the older parts on hand, they did this well into 1930.

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I posted my response in the wrong topic here, it was meant to be in another post, it somehow got posted here as well

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The mark under the serial number, looks to be the same diamond shaped N VC/B cartouche noted by pascucci91/41 on a 91 TSM he had recently picked up. His was on the opposite side of the chamber. And not that I understand the ins and out of all these but on your chambers RH side beneath the CN appear a small, upside down "947".

Italy did frequently date things and drop the "1" at least into the 50s. I have some 953 dated ammo.

Perhaps they fit an older serviceable barrel or maybe its NOS. They probably had no concern for the original manufacture date just the last time it was at arsenal and where, so it may have been scrubbed off the barrel.

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Thanks for the response, any info on what the N VC/B cartouche is for? That is what the stamp shows, as well as the small 947 on the other side for the arsenal refurb. I haven't seen it on any of the other Carcanos I've seen, not that I've seen many.
 
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