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Good Day, Looking for suggestions on corrective shooting glasses. I love my military rifles but my eyes are failing me and the fun of going to the range with them is turning into frustration. I did some checking on the web but there are so many choices. I have progressive lenses if that matters. Can I get some suggestions and opinions from some of you on what you like and why.

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Someone posted this link to the Culver's website. It is authored by a former Navy team shooter who is an ophthamologist, Dr. Norman Wong.
http://www.starreloaders.com/edhall/nwongarts.html
This is really good stuff and Dr. Wong is doing a great service to the shooting community by providing this information free of charge.
It includes some articles that you can print off and take with you to your eye doctor to get the best pair of glasses for your shooting needs.
 

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I haven't had time to go thru all of the Doctor's articles but I will. The biggist issue I found, once I found someone who would grind the lenses my way, was the need to move the optical center of the lense to the area I needed it. When I am down on the sights, my eye is looking thru the upper left portion of my right lense. That is where the optical center needs to be.

I wear tri-focals. The next experiment with lenses for me is to have the right lens made as a bi-focal with my intermediate and near vision scripts and the left as a single vision lense with my distance script. My intermediate vision is perfect for getting the front sight in sharp focus when I am on irons, and I will just re-focus my scope for the rest.

Looking forward to Dr. Wongs articles.
 

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If you are speaking of the one from jarheadtop I have not but I have a friend that uses a similar system on his Palma rifle and swears by it. I just machine the hoods for him and he installs the lenses.
 

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Welcome to "old age"....get used to things not working as they did.

Try the simplest things first, put a bit of scotch tape over the pupil of your non-dominate eye lens, as mentioned by Dr.Wong (many thanks for that link ) and go from there. You can see why a lot of us use rifle scopes and other optics more and more. I have had fairly good results using aperture type sights, as in "ghost ring or M-1 Garand " and have installed mojo sights on a few rifles. It does help a bit for me, see how it works for you.

I am also going to try the Merit type aperture attachment for my shooting glasses (with scotch tape over the other eye) and will comment on my luck. I look forward to reading others' input.

As an "oddball" suggestion for others to comment on; a friend of mine is a carpenter who had the lenses of his trifocals made literally "upside down" for trim work when working on overhead stuff. I have no clue if this approach would help one to keep their head down in a decent cheek weld to the stock, but it is an idea.
 

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Make your life a whole lot better ... Lasik or implants ! Ditch the glasses and contact lenses.
Cataracts were the best bad thing that ever happened to me! Faced with blindness or implant surgery, I have enjoyed Crystalens implants for almost 10 years now.
Having lived with coke bottle glasses and contacts all my life, I didn't know what life was like with 20-20 clear vision, brilliant color and not having to put on my glasses to find my way to the bathroom!
Don't let "surgery" scare you. It takes less than an hour, is not painful at all and you walk out with clear vision you never had in your whole life.
Cost is a factor but if you add up the eye exams, glasses and contacts for a couple years, it actually is cost effective and you recover the expenditure in a few years.
Lasik can be an effective cure as well and many people are candidates.
There have been many advancements in vision correction in the past few years that make it very simple and provide much better alternatives to glasses.
Go talk to a qualified ophthalmologist today and look into seriously changing your life for the better!
 

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Dr. Wong is an exception as an ophthalmologist in terms of his knowledge of optics, etc. Most ophthalmologist do not have much info on optical devices. Be they ophthalmologist, optometrist, or optician, you need to talk to a shooter. I have written scripts for many different situations from hunters to state law enforcement trainers, and each case requires a unique solution. Your type of prescription will alter the optical center placement, and astigmatism may limit the optical center shift. If you normally shoot with both eyes open, the tape won't work. My point is, there is no one method that works for everyone.

As to lasik, the FDA has re-opened investigation on the technique because the bottom-feeders have found it to be a good source of income...and the American public likes to choose things based on price. It's a great procedure if performed by a refractive surgeon who has done tens of thousands of them. Otherwise, in eight or ten years, you could be very sorry you did it. Cataract sx/implants are different and are almost always a major improvement...but, unless you have deep pockets and can afford advanced implants, you will still be faced with the problem of seeing the front sight clearly...unless you have very small pupils and are shooting in bright sunlight. Again, it's different for each of us.
 

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NOBODY wil touch my eyes ... Lasik, lasers... whatever. Things can be solved by the knowledge of others that are specialised in the field. The problem is to find someone that is realy interested in your problem and is polite enough and has patience enough to look into your problem and will look for a solution. At my age (66) things get somewhat complicated ... if I can see it ... I can hit it. If things are blurry ... you have a problem and understand why so many old geezers use a telescopic sight on their firearm. In theory this is the way to go ... in practice, this is certainly not the way to go with original collectible firearms. So, we elder shooters are having a serious dilemma ... destroy originality, or quit shooting certain beloved rifles?
Personaly I've got an interesting address of a shooter-ophtalmologist ... I'll have a long talk with him one of these days.
 

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The problem of believing that glassware on your gun can cure vision defects is epidemic. Optics on the gun are not a cure all but often the first choice for those with failing vision.
We will all face the problem of aging and the natural process of our eyes lenses stiffening causing problems with short range focus. It can be particularly frustrating with handgun when you can't focus well on the front sight.
The many problems associated with scopes can be most extremely annoying. Few people understand the critical issues of mounting, parallax, correct zeroing, windage and elevation, and eye relief.
They fall into the trap of throwing a cheap hunk of glassware on a gun and never figuring out why they still can't hit the broad side of a barn although they can see it clearly now through the glass.
Scopes are not a solution! Fix your eyes and not your gun!

Finding a good ophthalmologist, who is a shooter and understands guns and sights, is difficult. They can't associate or comprehend the need for that short to mid range focus necessary to clearly see the sights. If you can't convey the concepts involved, take a yard stick and measure the distance from your eye to the front sight. Take it with you for your eye exam and insist that you have clear vision at the measured distance. Glasses or contacts can be made to achieve that although you may have to purchase an extra pair or specific contacts just for shooting.

Mono-vision, or having one eye focus differently from the other, can be both blessing and annoyance. It takes some time to get used to but the brain eventually figures it out and learns to switch dominance from one eye to the other depending on what you are looking at and how far away it is. It will drive you nuts for several months until you adapt but you will adapt.

Cataracts offered me little choice. It was either implants or a cane and guide dog!
Despite the most modern and sophisticated equipment to take the measurements, my specialist in the field screwed up, claiming that they were too thick for the machine to get an accurate measurement. He rather undershot the magnification on the lens in both eyes. Still, I walked out with better vision than I had my entire life! I was not happy and made a lot of noise about it, including mention of a lawyer. He quickly decided "I can fix that with Lasik!" Ok, WTF? Nothing to lose at that point.
Left eye was -2. He performed the Lasik (which I found more uncomfortable than the surgery to replace the lens with the implant) but, it's fast settles in to final vision in a week or so.
Well, now he overshot the correction and left eye is farsighted at +1. Cool beans! I can count individual pine needles on a tree at 150yds! Not worth a damn for close vision though.
Right eye, my dominant shooting eye remains at -1. Not great for counting those pine needles but perfect for focusing on sights! Also perfect for close up and I can read the newspaper without glasses or contacts although reading glasses prevent eye strain from prolonged reading and small type.
The mono-vision, or difference between the two drove me nuts at first. We talked about further correction as I was not happy. After a few months, I adapted to it and now can unconsciously switch eyes depending on what I am looking at and find it no bother at all.
Shooting is the best of both worlds. I can see the target (and the holes) at distance with the left eye and the right puts the front sight of pistol and rifle in perfect focus to pull the trigger.
I'm not complaining anymore. It worked out for the best vision I have had my entire life!
 

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db, you were fortunate that you could adapt. But, if it works, it's great. I wrote an rx for an instructor that allowed his right to see the front sight clearly and his left to see the target. I took them to the range and put them on, he pulled his weapon into the ready position and then turn to me and said, "Can you see the hair on my neck standing up?" Clear. Different ways to skin a cat.
 

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My last patient on sat. is ususally a shooter with a lot of the same compaints. After the last patient is gone we pull out the guns and trial lenses and start trying different Rx's to see what works. Not only is each person different sometimes so is each weapon and site system. Some optometrists and most ophthalmogists know nothing about optics, but can treat diseases and do surgery. Look for an optometrist that is also a shooter and knows optics.
 

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I have shot targets for more than 20 years and the best thing I ever did was buy a good shooting monocle like Olympic or Knobloch. These frames let you set up a lens exactly perpendicular to your line of sight for a range of rifles, as opposed to fitting lenses to each rifle. The focal point must be right in the centre of the line of sight when you are behind the sights whether you use large aviator style lenses or a monocle.

If a choice exists first use a rear peep sight (avoid open "leaf" sights) or try something like the Merit disc to sharpen the sight picture. For those with complex problems like astigmatism that may not clear everything up.

I agree you have to get the lens selected by an optometrist who knows about shooting. Ideally get the lens made then go back and check it is correct and correctly placed with your rifle in the shoulder. They will know the little subtle things in selecting and positioning the lens. Heavy astigmatism which I have needs the lens rotated away from vertical while in the shooting position since the eye rotates slightly in the socket as your head rotates to get behind the sights. In my case enough to blur out the sight picture.

You must get the shooting eye set up for a clear view of the front sight. No progressive lens or bifocals etc for the shooting eye. I accept that my eyes will not see the target sharply any more but shooting at a dead centre but slightly blurry bullseye inside the front ring sight still gives very good results (and still finishing ahead of many eagle eyed youngsters in club championships)

Another monocle for the left eye lets me scope shots on the target, adjust the sight and read the wind flags. Coloured filters etc are in the sight if needed.

It is worth the effort tracking down the right optometrist and you won't believe the difference it can make to your shooting. It is also cheap compared to the amount of ammo you are probably not aiming correctly onto the target each year
 

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Drugstore Glasses

I wear bi-focals and have done so for many of my 64 years. As my eyes have gotten worse, my prescription has changed. However I can still read very good with those +1.75 diopter reading glasses.

Well, one evening I was in my gun room reading some reloading manuals (with the drugstore glasses) and picked up one of my milsurps. Looking down the barrel, I was amazed at how sharp the front sight was. I then realized I still had my reading glasses on and was able to see both the rear and front sight much better.

Long story short... I carried my reading glasses to the next milsurp match and shot much better. Admittedly the black bulls-eye was not as sharp, but I could see it enough to shoot.
 

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Thanks to all that contributed to this thread. A lot of good information from shooters with real experience. I am going to take my old reading glasses to the range and start there. I am leaning toward the monocol as a solution for me.

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Gents: for $20, go here and try them. http://www.eyepalusa.com/eyepal_tips.html

I have used them for 3 yrs and I am 64, wear bi focals and can now see front, rear sights and the bullseye clearly.

Before you chase expensive RX solutions or look to surgery (not me brother) to your old eyes: spent 20 bucks and buy a pair of these. Get the package with rifle and pistol apertures. They flat worked for me and I have zero regrets. How long will they work ...well, I got 3 yrs use so far and they have extended my iron sight shooting life so its been an investment worth making IMHO.
 
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