[Kilroy was here]

I don't often post topics (in fact my first one on this subforum), but I was browsing over on AR15 and saw this alarming post:

URGENT ACTION ALERT!!

The Ohio state legislature is possibly going to vote this afternoon on a resolution calling for a national constitutional convention. Only two more states are needed. We do NOT want to have a constitutional convention – they could scrap our entire U.S. Constitution with the Bill of Rights and start over!! There is more detailed explanation below from Tom DeWeese at the American Policy Center, but I am asking everyone to make two phone calls:

ACTION TO TAKE

We need only stop the House bill, HJR8, sponsored by Representative Louis Blessing, chairman of the Ohio House Judiciary Committee (there is a Senate bill too).

1. Call Chairman Blessing's office and tell his staff you oppose a Constitutional Convention and you want this process stopped.

Tell them this is the most dangerous time ever to call for such a convention.

Tell them no one can control the debate or outcome of a Con Con.

Representative Louis Blessing
Phone: (614) 466-9091
Fax: (614) 719-3583
Email: [email protected]

2. Call Representative Bill Batchelder. He is a very good man. I've known him for years. But he has been misled on this issue. The word is he is wavering. Your calls can convince him to withdraw his support. That can kill this bill.

Representative Bill Batchelder
Phone: (614) 466-8140
Fax: (614) 719-3969
Email: [email protected]

Thanks for making these phone calls! Also, please send this email to everyone you know – in every state. This vote affects everyone in the country, so you have a vested interest in the outcome. If you can’t get through on the phone, keep trying and send an email while you’re waiting! J

Senator Karen S. Johnson


From: American Policy Center
Subject: SLEDGEHAMMER: URGENT ACTION NEEDED - 2 States Away from Constitutional Convention
Date: Wednesday, December 10, 2008, 12:50 PM

APC SLEDGEHAMMER ACTION ALERT

From the American Policy Center
Tom DeWeese - President
70 Main Street, Suite 23
Warrenton, VA 20186
www.americanpolicy.org


Extremely Urgent Action Alert!

U.S. Two States Away from Constitutional Convention

This is the most urgent, most important action alert the American Policy Center has ever issued! The Ohio state legislature is expected to vote today, Wednesday, Dec. 10th, to call for a Constitutional Convention (Con Con). If Ohio calls for a Con Con only one more state need do so and Congress will have no choice but to convene a Convention, throwing our U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights up for grabs. Ohio's vote today poses a grave threat to the U.S. Constitution. Please immediately call the Ohio lawmakers listed below. ACT FAST - time is of the essence!

I apologize! This malignancy most foul remained undetected by our radar until a good friend brought it to our attention yesterday. The hour is late, but WE MUST TAKE IMMEDIATE ACTION!

It does not matter where you live. Ohio's vote today endangers everyone in every sta te in the Union, so we must pressure Ohio lawmakers to discard this disastrous legislative effort.

Thirty-two (32) other states have already called for a Con Con (allegedly to add a Balanced Budget Amendment to the Constitution). 34 states are all that is required, and then Congress MUST convene a Convention.

The U.S. Constitution places no restriction on the purposes for which the states can call for a Convention. If Ohio votes to call a Con Con, for whatever purpose, the United States will be only one state away from total destruction. And it's a safe bet that those who hate this nation, and all She stands for, are waiting to pounce upon this opportunity to re-write our Constitution. We dare slumber no longer; we must take immediate action to preserve this nation!

Certainly all loyal Americans want government constrained by a balanced budget. But calling a Con Con risks a revolutionary change in our form of government. The ultimate outcome will likely be a new constitution; one that would possibly eliminate the Article 1 restriction to the coinage of real money or even eliminate gun or property rights. So what may look like a good idea to the legislators driving this effort - all Republicans - will certainly make them prey to the law of unintended consequences - at the very least insuring the U.S. will never have a balanced budget - while destroying what vestiges of liberty the government still allows.

You may have heard that some of those 32 states have voted to rescind their calls. This is true. However, under Article V of the Constitution, Congress must call a Constitutional Convention whenever 2/3 (or 34) of the states apply. The Constitution makes no provision for rescission. We've been told advocates of the convention are waiting to capture just two more states - Ohio, and one other. They can then challenge the other states' res cissions in the courts while going ahead with the Convention. Congress alone then decides whether state legislatures or state conventions ratify proposed amendments.

You may have heard the states can control the subject of any convention. In truth no restrictive language from any state can legally limit the scope or outcome of a Convention! Once a Convention is called Congress determines how the delegates to the Convention are chosen. Once chosen, those Convention delegates possess more power than the U.S. Congress itself; if it were not so they would not be able to change the U.S. Constitution!

We have not had a Constitutional Convention since 1787. That Convention was called to make small changes in the Articles of Confederation. As a point of fact, several states first passed resolutions requiring their delegates discuss amendments to the Articles ONLY, forbidding even discussion of foundational changes . However, following the delegates' first agreement that their meetings be in secret, their second act was to agree to debate those state restrictions and to declare the Articles of Confederation NULL AND VOID! They also changed the ratification process, reducing the required states' approval from 100% to 75%. There is no reason to believe a contemporary Con Con wouldn't further "modify" Article V restrictions to suit its purpose.

As former Chief Justice Warren Burger said in a letter written to Phyllis Schlafly, President of Eagle Forum:
"...there is no effective way to limit or muzzle the actions of a Constitutional Convention. The convention could make its own rules and set its own agenda. Congress might try to limit the convention to one amendment or to one issue, but there is no way to assure that the convention would obey. After a convention is convened, it will be too late to stop the convention if we don't like its agenda. The meeting in 1787 ignored the limit placed by the confederation Congress..." (emphasis mine)

We were blessed in 1787; the Con Con delegates were the leaders of a freedom movement that had just cleansed this land of tyranny.

Today's corrupt politicians and judges would like nothing better than the ability to legally ignore the Constitution - to modify its "problematic" provisions to reflect the philosophical and socials mores of our contemporary society.

The majority of U.S. voters just elected a dedicated leftist as President. Republicans are at their weakest right now! This is a horrible time to try such a crazy scheme. We cannot control the debate right now! Don't for one second doubt that delegates to a Con Con wouldn't revise the 1st Amendment into a government-controlled privilege, replace the 2nd Amendment with a "collective" right to self-defense, and abolish the 4th, 5th, and 10th Amendments, and the rest of the Bill of R ights. Additions could include the non-existent Separation of Church and State, the "right" to abortion and euthanasia, and much, much more.

Our uniquely and purely American concept of individual rights, endowed by our Creator, would be quickly set aside as an anachronistic relic of a bygone era; replaced by new "collective" rights, awarded and enforced by government for the "common good".

The problems our nation faces are not a result of deficiencies in our Constitution; rather, they are the direct result of our disregard for that divinely-inspired document of liberty.

There is no challenge faced by this nation that cannot be solved either by enforcing existing law, or in limited cases, by writing new law. We do not need, AND MUST NOT RISK THE LIBERTY OF THE UNITED STATES with, a Constitutional Convention!

Ohio must not vote for a Con Con! We cannot control the debate! And state #34 is likely sitting silently in the wings, ready to act with lightning speed, sealing the fate of our once great nation before we can prevent it.

Stop the Ohio bill and we can stop the Constitutional Convention.

ACTION TO TAKE

We need only stop the House bill, HJR8, sponsored by Representative Louis Blessing, chairman of the House Judiciary Committee (there is a Senate bill too).

1. Call Chairman Blessing's office and tell his staff you oppose a Constitutional Convention and you want this process stopped.

Tell them this is the most dangerous time ever to call for such a convention.

Tell them no one can control the debate or outcome of a Con Con.

Representative Louis Blessing
Phone: (614) 466-9091
Fax: (614) 719-3583
Email: [email protected]

2. Call Representative Bill Batchelder. He is a very good man. I've known him for y ears. But he has been misled on this issue. The word is he is wavering. Your calls can convince him to withdraw his support. That can kill this bill.

Representative Bill Batchelder
Phone: (614) 466-8140
Fax: (614) 719-3969
Email: [email protected]

3. It is URGENT that you make your calls right now. The bill could be voted on as early as this afternoon (Wednesday).

I'm so sorry for this late notice. We just found out about this last night.

Please get this message out far and wide. This task requires our very best effort! E-mail and call your friends, family and neighbors. Network anywhere and everywhere possible. If you know someone who never takes action, encourage them to break that habit this one time. Our Constitution is under assault!
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And here is the Ohio bill:

http://www.legislature.state.oh.us/res.cfm?ID=127_HJR_8


I haven't had time to really look into this. However, it seems legit and like it's probably going to happen.


Edit: I copy and pasted the main article here for easier viewing.

 

[Mark Harlin Chaney]

Done deal. email & phone.

 

[MauserboyM48]

Don't say we didn't warn you.

 

[GhostCat]

Don't say we didn't warn you.

I aint touching that one with a 10' pole!!!!!.......

 

[ruskiegunlover]

man, he was so knowledgable.....Why didn't we listen to him? Surely, if we 1000 gunboards members had voted for rue paul, we would surely have beaten obama in the race! Yup, 1000 votes would have turned the whole election!........If elections were like mousequeer POLLS......


On the face of it, I don't see why this is so threatening. Gun control isn't even an issue. And several states have already passes laws, agreements to succeed if the feds ever confisgate or remove the 2nd. To me its a joke. I see why everyone might be worried, but I just don't see the huge threat. They are getting together to ammend it to force the government to be more frugle.

 

[Clyde]

I see some problems with having a Constitutional Convention. The last one, 1787, was called to review and propose amendments to the Articles of Confederation. It took the bit in its teeth, ran away and issued a completely new document, the one we know as "The Constitution". Could happen again, and might well be under the control of such as Fineswine, Chuckie Cheese and other radical hoplophobes.

Of course, it would then have to be ratified by the requisite number of states, which might not be easy...

 

[MCQueenie]

Illinois has a provision that every 20 years requires a vote to consider calling a State Constitutional Convention. This year happened to be 20th so it was on the ballot. Got turned down at least 2 to 1. This is Obama's home state and we have the Democratic stronghold called Chicagoland. I don't think calling a US Convention will fly.

Oh yeah, forgot to mention the Democrats were pushing for it. They were looking for more ways to steal money from taxpayers and retirees.

 

[oldgoat46]

convention?

It's kind of like gun control. just cause they say it don't mean we are going along with it.

 

[Ironhorse]

I see some problems with having a Constitutional Convention. The last one, 1787, was called to review and propose amendments to the Articles of Confederation. It took the bit in its teeth, ran away and issued a completely new document, the one we know as "The Constitution". Could happen again, and might well be under the control of such as Fineswine, Chuckie Cheese and other radical hoplophobes.

Of course, it would then have to be ratified by the requisite number of states, which might not be easy...

Exactly, Clyde. I cannot believe that the posters to this forum are not paying more attention to this! With all the bashing and debate towards Obama and gun rights, I'm very surprised that more people aren't chiming in.

Do you people not realize that if Ohio votes for a new Con-Con, it will be the 33rd state of a required 34 to set the wheels in motion? Do you not realize that if 34 states vote yes to a Con-Con within the next two years, that Nancy Pelosi (that woman you must all love given the lack of response to this posting) will have the power to regulate how delegates are selected, what they are paid, and whether they will meet in private or public? Do you not realize that a national Con-Con could completely strip the document you all claim to love so much, and replace it with one that does not necessarily have to resemble our current one at all??? Is this the power you want our newly-elected, democrat majority Congress to have???

Yes, it would have to be ratified by a certain number of states...again, this would be up to the Con-Con itself. Remember, it only took 9 of 13 states to ratify the Constitution we now hold so dear.

There are two ways to change the Constitution; with a Constitutional Convention (the last one having been held in 1787), or with amendment. Can you tell me why, if the only issues at hand focus on limiting the United States Government's power over the budget, we would need something as wide in power as a Constitutional Convention?

We celebrated our RKBA when Heller was affirmed by SCOTUS. I'm personally waiting for the next case that will allow the courts to expand Heller and give us the right to CC (something that is touched upon in Heller). Are we really so complacent that we are not outraged by the very real possibility that all our efforts to have RKBA incorporated could be negated by a Con-Con??? Where are the opinions here? Do you not care?

 

[EricOKC]

Don't say we didn't warn you.

"We" being a few thousand tin foil hat wearing citizens who were endorsing a candidate who has made a career out of sitting in the back pew.

As a rule, I'll pass on taking advice from people who want to herd themselves to West Texas and lock themselves up behind cattle gates like a bunch of sheep, then stick their heads in the sand like ostriches: (I apologize for the mixed metaphors, by the way.)

www.paulville.org

"The goal of Paulville.org it to establish gated communities containing 100% Ron Paul supporters and or people that live by the ideals of freedom and liberty.

The process is forming a co-op of people buying shares in the community and these people would be granted land use at a minimum of 1 acre per share, for as long as they homesteaded the land. The community would be privately held by the co-op to establish private property for the general community thus preserving the community is 100% freedom and liberty lovers. The community votes on all community efforts, such as utilities etc. However no one is forced to consume these utilities and or pay for them, AKA people can be off grid on their share of land. This is in line with the ideals that you're free to live your life the way you want and not be forced to do or pay for other people's life styles you may not agree with."

 

[Mike In memoriam]

Only smart thing we did lately in Illinois was to vote down the con-con.

With the extremist wierdos in so many high and key positions today, we don't need anything like this.

 

[MauserboyM48]

"We" being a few thousand tin foil hat wearing citizens who were endorsing a candidate who has made a career out of sitting in the back pew.

And we've been right about many things. So maybe you should do yourself a favor and start listening.

 

[EricOKC]

And we've been right about many things. So maybe you should do yourself a favor and start listening.

MamasBoy,
What Ron Paul and the nerd herd are "right" about is no big secret among the rest of us...Ron Paul simply isn't a leader and shows little qualifications for so many other attributes that a leader needs.

The very fact that his sheep...er..followers want to remove themselves from society and move to West Texas in cattle pens pretty well sums up how little credibility they have.

While this may be a step up from living at home, as you and so many of his 20-something old followers do, West Texas is a far cry from the comfort of mommy and daddy's house, not to mention no internet to play online games with.

Rather than fight for our freedoms, Paulites would rather just retreat somewhere and hope the world goes away.

www.paulville.org

"The goal of Paulville.org it to establish gated communities containing 100% Ron Paul supporters and or people that live by the ideals of freedom and liberty.

The process is forming a co-op of people buying shares in the community and these people would be granted land use at a minimum of 1 acre per share, for as long as they homesteaded the land. The community would be privately held by the co-op to establish private property for the general community thus preserving the community is 100% freedom and liberty lovers. The community votes on all community efforts, such as utilities etc. However no one is forced to consume these utilities and or pay for them, AKA people can be off grid on their share of land. This is in line with the ideals that you're free to live your life the way you want and not be forced to do or pay for other people's life styles you may not agree with.

These communities are not for the faint at heard they will start as undeveloped land in non city locals, as this is the way to secure large tracts of land needed for these efforts."

 

[Mark Harlin Chaney]

Why do the nut jobs have to come to Texas? They already ruined California, can't they just all hang out there?

 

[cpw]

Why do the nut jobs have to come to Texas? They already ruined California, can't they just all hang out there?

They ruinned their state and finally realize it so they want to move somewhere else ( and ruin it).

 

[DirtyThirty]

There is no end of the evil that could be wrought, especially in country as it is now. The whole Bill of Rights could easily be purged in one fell swoop. Hell, I'm not certain the full Bill of Rights could pass a vote in this RKBA forum.

The proponents seem to be laboring under the delusion that the Constitution is the problem, not the traitorous criminals who ignore it.

 

[MauserboyM48]

MamasBoy,
What Ron Paul and the nerd herd are "right" about is no big secret among the rest of us...Ron Paul simply isn't a leader and shows little qualifications for so many other attributes that a leader needs.

The very fact that his sheep...er..followers want to remove themselves from society and move to West Texas in cattle pens pretty well sums up how little credibility they have.

While this may be a step up from living at home, as you and so many of his 20-something old followers do, West Texas is a far cry from the comfort of mommy and daddy's house, not to mention no internet to play online games with.

Rather than fight for our freedoms, Paulites would rather just retreat somewhere and hope the world goes away.

www.paulville.org

"The goal of Paulville.org it to establish gated communities containing 100% Ron Paul supporters and or people that live by the ideals of freedom and liberty.

The process is forming a co-op of people buying shares in the community and these people would be granted land use at a minimum of 1 acre per share, for as long as they homesteaded the land. The community would be privately held by the co-op to establish private property for the general community thus preserving the community is 100% freedom and liberty lovers. The community votes on all community efforts, such as utilities etc. However no one is forced to consume these utilities and or pay for them, AKA people can be off grid on their share of land. This is in line with the ideals that you're free to live your life the way you want and not be forced to do or pay for other people's life styles you may not agree with.

These communities are not for the faint at heard they will start as undeveloped land in non city locals, as this is the way to secure large tracts of land needed for these efforts."

That all you can muster up? The Paulville thing? fail.

You can't come up with an argument or a witty comeback, it seems.

 

[ruskiegunlover]

jesus please us. The mousequeer and his ilk are really far off the deep end. Freedom and liberty? Will you allow supporters of Mccain or Bush to live their? Why not? I thought it was about freedom and liberty?

You are surely one stupid S.O.B. I mean that, of coarse, in the most polite way mousequeer.

 

[EricOKC]

That all you can muster up? The Paulville thing? fail.

You can't come up with an argument or a witty comeback, it seems.

MamasBoy,
Not being witty, merely pointing out what sheeplike followers Paulites are, and how sad it is that they have to hang onto what little bit of consequential triva Paul does spew forth.

Really, can you get any funnier than this without having to make it up...?

www.paulville.org

"These communities are not for the faint at heard they will start as undeveloped land in non city locals, as this is the way to secure large tracts of land needed for these efforts."

Have you noticed the typo on the website?
I'm not sure they were wanting to say "faint of heart," or misspelled "herd."

In any case, I can only imagine the guys pictured below roughing it in West Texas after the sack lunch their mommies prepared them run out:

 

[jjk308 In Memoriam RIP]

"The goal of Paulville.org it to establish gated communities containing 100% Ron Paul supporters and or people that live by the ideals of freedom and liberty.

The process is forming a co-op of people buying shares in the community and these people would be granted land use at a minimum of 1 acre per share, for as long as they homesteaded the land. The community would be privately held by the co-op to establish private property for the general community thus preserving the community is 100% freedom and liberty lovers. The community votes on all community efforts, such as utilities etc. However no one is forced to consume these utilities and or pay for them, AKA people can be off grid on their share of land. This is in line with the ideals that you're free to live your life the way you want and not be forced to do or pay for other people's life styles you may not agree with.

These communities are not for the faint at heard they will start as undeveloped land in non city locals, as this is the way to secure large tracts of land needed for these efforts."

See http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?t=80404

Reminds me of the Sam Kinison bit about saving the starving Ethiopians - instead of sending them food send the U-hauls and move them away from there:

"We have deserts in America, we just don't live in them, assholes!"

Except for Paullites.