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Hairball II "The Soviets did try to feed us LARGE amounts of communism, but, thankfully, our parents were smart enough to see through most of the lies. "

But the parents screwed the pooch and allowed the Commies into the educational system, where they brainwashed the students, and got elected to school boards. Now we see where that led us.
Yeah a commie trained and indoctrinated socialist in the White House....and infiltrated in the Congress...
 

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Plenty of alternatives, still. We have elections in two years to change the face of the Senate, and as much damage as Obamination will do, there will be limits to how much he can do, I pray.

You are from the UK, drifter? Then your history has taught you the same thing our Civil war did. They are savage, nasty last ditch efforts.

There is always damage you do, damage you hope and pray you never have to do to another human being so that at night you do not have to hear your opponents high-pitched, begging shrieks in your ears.

I do not want that. I do not want my children to be reduced to that, either.

An armed uprising is what happens when every last, good alternative has gone terribly awry.

God willing, we are a LONG, LOOOONG way form that aweful alternative. Till then, vote, educate, discuss, vote, pray, write, debate, vote, donate, all the things that you exhaust before you even give dim acceptance of that dark possibility.

By God, and for Freedom, uprising is the very, absolute LAST thing to be considered.

It is still not too late.

Honestly, intellectually, I don't know if I can agree....as much as I'd like to.

Lets face it, government as it is, is completely broken. They talk a good game about doing the Peoples will, but the reality is the gov from the local level right to the federal level only does what benefits them. Look at the original stimulus package....what, like 95% of the American public came out against it, and it was passed overwhelmingly. Why? Because it was a fait accompli deal between the gov and big banking.

There were lots of numbers thrown around, and I honestly don't know what is correct, but I believe them when they say if they took that 700 billlion dollars and divided it up evenly to each INCOME TAXPAYING American, each houselhold would've received something like 30k....let me tell you, that 30k in my pocket would've done more for me than their BS "stimulus" package did.

Or instead of sending checks, how about a complete tax holiday until September? How much would that have stimulated the econmony and made peoples lives better?

That would never happen, because there is no upside to helping average people in the US, for the gov, they want to help those who will give them cushy consultancies AFTER they leave their "public" service.

Hey, try this, go to try and see your "representative" wanna bet you won't get anywhere near him?

Do you really think the gov is "By the people, for the people" anymore? When the gov started, people going into it were basically regular people...farmers, businessmen, etc, that went to Washington (or Philadelphia) for a few months of the year, did the Peoples nusiness, and returned home to their REAL jobs. Now, the gov is a career path.

And honestly, I don't think the dynamic can be changed without DRASTIC measures. Say we get to 2010, and for some reason the American people smarten up (not likely) and overwhelmingly vote in Repubs....do you really think it will change things? Hell, Repubs are just Democrat light anymore, but regardless, even if you have a good person go in, the system quickly corrupts them, and if it doesn't it will destroy them.

Not to mention it is quickly coming to a point where its going to be the haves against the have nots (or more correctly the lazy, will nots). Do you think the rapidly growing segment of society who would rather have those who actually work pay their way with the willing help of liberals socialists in government want to see an America where hard work means success again? No way, they want their free stuff.....

Sadly, I really don't see a way of actually changing the direction of the country and returning it to what the Founding Fathers envisioned without some sort of second civil war....of course we could just stay the course, and watch our liberties and the ideals of the Founding Fathers slowly eroded until we no longer recognize the country. The frog in the cool water in the pot syndrome....
 

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But, Hairball, let me ask you this, given what you just said, do you really think elections can or will change things? You yourself just spoke about the "entitlement class"....this keeps getting larger and larger, and as it does, the country is doomed. The old chestnut about once a democratic society realizes it can vote itself a living, democracy is doomed is true.

So as far as I can see, the only way to change the countries direction is to either completely revamp government by one means or another, or somehow get rid of this entitlement class whose voting is destroying this country....

Personally, I think this country has started the slow spiral down the toilet, and it won't be stopped. Thanks to socialist/communist indoctrination in the public school system, which just exponentially expands that entitlement mentality, and the lack of people with the intestinal fortitude to do what must be done to stop things....just not enough people in this country think Freedom is a realistic principle anymore. Too many lemmings....

In many ways I agree 100% with you...for example...

"People need to feel the crucible of real torment before they can appreciate what they have. They have to EARN the fruits of their labor, that way they will fight harder to keep it. What has, sadly, deveolped, is a class in America that believe they are entitiled. They are entitled because they exist, because someone insulted their garnd pappy, because they skin color is different. ONce they stop getting the free money they have, like rats, they will eat each other, thus clearing up a lot of good real estate for quality, socialable, freedom-loving and hard-working citizens.

Fighting will get us nowhere, as most of the folks are to stupd and lazy to do anything other than run in cicles going "squeek, squeek!". Not enough unity, not enough focus of principle, too many idiots will get in the way of the fight."

Exactly what I am saying, so the question remains, how do you stop this spiral? That is where I am coming from when I say I believe there is no way to stop it without purging it completely, one way or another.....
 
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