A CG63 is not really a "surplus" rifle. It's a match grade target rifle built on a surplus receiver with a new production (at time of conversion) heavy target barrel. There are plenty of people who know a lot more about this rifle than I do, but, as with any old rifle, accuracy is dependent in large part on bore condition. There are plenty of CG63s out there with excellent bores that will go round for round with a modern Tikka or Sako. The length of the sight radius definitely affects accuracy. I don't think you can compare a CG63 to a "modern" sporting rifle like a Tikka T3. They're just two different animals. I have a CG63 that was built on a 1917 Carl Gustafs receiver and converted by Carl Guatafs in 1965. The bore is mint and it will put rounds on a target that touch at 100 yards. It's by far one of my favorite rifles in my collection.Was looking to get a nice rifle to try shooting with aperture sights and found the CG63. Then I found that I could add aperture sights to my Tikka T3 Light 6.5x55 and dropped the idea of getting a CG63. Then I got to thinking...
My T3 has a 22' barrel and the CG63 has a 29" barrel. Not sure how accurate used CG63 is but my T3 is very accurate with a scope. Would there be much of an advantage to having the extra 7" of barrel to increase the sight radius? My AK has a short sight radius and it does well to 300+ yards with iron sights.
Which would be better for iron sight shooting, a shorter accurate rifle or a surplus rifle with longer sight radius? Just looking for a different way to do some plinking.
If for purely iron sight shooting, the T3 will have more potential even with the shorter sight radius. You can extend the sight radius for $80 with a bloop tube (as I did in my Sporter below). The only thing the CG63 and CG80 have that is better compared to a T3 Lite is the stock, which is made for prone target shooting whereas the T3 Lite is not. The only other thing I can see the advantage being with the CG63 is the possible cheaper price (possible to get less than $600 with sights) on a shooter grade and its already done.landtoy80 said:Which would be better for iron sight shooting, a shorter accurate rifle or a surplus rifle with longer sight radius? Just looking for a different way to do some plinking.
Tell that to the guys at the NRA long range matches (800 to 1000 yards). Speed buys you windage points, the faster the bullet gets to the target, the less time wind (and less wind even because of lower elevation) will have a chance to affect the trajectory. I am not into it, but there are people in F-class (prone rifle on a front and rear rest) that have less than 3 inch groups at 1000 yards.Same bolt and receiver as any Swedish Mauser . So , not hot loads !!!!!!!!!!!! You don't need 4000 fps to accurately shoot paper targets . M41 factory ammo is 2592 fps in a 29" barrel .
I have never heard of anything about the Mauser 96 or 98 actions stretching from a rebarrel. Only thing I heard about stretching of receivers was on the Enfields but even that might be a mouth/rumor (I only heard it once and didn't research it as I am not planning on owning any Enfields).The only thing I read that worries me is I found some info that said some of the CG63 have been rebarreled several times and the stretching of the receiver has made them unsafe or prone to fail. Something about setting the barrel back each time it has a new barrel attached??? Not sure if what I read is correct. Is there a way to tell if the receiver has stretched and is going to fail from too many rebarrelings? Could a gun smith detect that? Internet rumor?
I don't think you'll find the same variance in a Swede as you sometimes find in a Mosin-Nagant. If you buy from a reputable dealer and you pick the right rifle, you should have a good shooter.I do like shooting my shorter barrel T3 but there is something about shooting a rifle with a longer barrel. It must be a male thing
Putting a bloop tube on my T3 might give me the feel of a longer barrel but it might be like having a penile extension... (guess I wont be buying a bloop tube now)
I am just looking to have a fun plinker that does shoot well. The only thing I dont like about buying surplus/used is its usually a crap shoot weather its a good one or a bad one. I am no expert when it comes to judging a surplus/used ffirearm. You dont know till you get to the range. My M91/30 barrel looked good but the bore turned out to be .315". When first shooting it, it patterned like a shotgun. After much work shims and finding a good load that will work with the oversize barrel it turned out to be a good shooter.
The only thing I read that worries me is I found some info that said some of the CG63 have been rebarreled several times and the stretching of the receiver has made them unsafe or prone to fail. Something about setting the barrel back each time it has a new barrel attached??? Not sure if what I read is correct. Is there a way to tell if the receiver has stretched and is going to fail from too many rebarrelings? Could a gun smith detect that? Internet rumor?
That's where I got mine back in December. He's running low on them, though - you should have seen the inventory when I bought mine. They had so many with excellent bores, matching numbers and excellent bluing. The last time I looked, the number with excellent bores was pretty small.I looked at a bunch online at Simpsons Ltd. I sure would like to take a trip there with a briefcase full of cash. I am sure I would have no problem finding a good one there along with some other rifles that are on my dream list.