[mto7464]

When was the CCCP marked used on stocks of 91/30's?

 

[3A PKKA]

I'm no expert on markings, but I don't think that "CCCP" was ever officially imprinted on the stocks of the M91/30s. If anyplace, it would be imprinted on the receiver near the markings of the arsenal, etc.

Mike

 

[Ol' Relic]

I'm definitely no expert, but most of the cccp cartouches I've seen have been on '43 Izhevsk stocks. See toward bottom of page on this link for a couple of variations on this stamp: http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinMarks01.htm

 

[mauser655]

I have the CCCP stamp on several stocks. Most of them are the pre-wwII stocks. But I'm afraid I don't know when it was started or stopped.

 

[bananas]

My ex sniper has a very similar looking PCFCP stamp on the pre-war stock

 

[dixie789456]

both my 1945 m44 and 1944 91/30 sniper have the cccp stamped on the stock

 

[Vulch]

This is the stock on my '39 Izhevsk

 

[DadM1903]

My 1927 Izhevsk exdragoon has it.

D.

 

[wgallc]

My unissued '48 Izhevsk M44 has it, as did my '46 M44.

Earliest observed date is uncertain, because of refurb stock swaps.

 

[bones92]

Keep in mind, gents, that if you see this mark on a typical refurbished rifle, the stock will not be original to the barrelled action.

 

[nwellons]

This is from my 37 SCW USSR - URRS marked Izhevsk. Stock may have been swapped but the SCW narrows the time period of at least this 91/30's cartouche.

 

[mto7464]

nice piece of wood. I asked this question because on another post they were calling the CCCP marked wood a dragoon stock. My matching Izzy has the CCCP and its dated 36 and it made me wondering if it was indeed matching. But no question now. Thanks.

 

[Sgt Frank Rock]

1939 Izhevsk M91/30 which appears to be non-refurbed

 

[RyanE]

The CCCP cartouche is found only on rifles produced at Izhevsk. It may be a form final acceptance. It was probably used from day 1 all the way until the end of production. but not many factory original examples have survived so it is hard to be certain. Next to the CCCP cartouche, two cyrillic letters in a circle were stamped and are probably the initials of the inspecting official. The same two letters are found on the barrel. In 1938, it was "ГВ", and I have seen a matching 1941 M38 Finn with "ГП".

Sgt. Rock, can you read your 1939? Can you check the barrel and see if the same initials are stamped there?

The stock cartouch and "ГВ" inspections from my original '38 attached.

 

[mto7464]

Cool info, checked my matching 36 Izzy and it has the same marking on the stock and barrel. Same rB. Although not as sharp.

 

[wgallc]

I asked a Russian immigrant about the ГВ, he answer was "every russian knows that means (please excuse phonetic spelling) "good vbrushnika", but he couldn't explain well what it meant, other than having to do with the year of production.

We discussed this while looking at a rifle bearing the stamp, on my table.

He also wrote it down in cyrillic for me.

 

[HillgerRomak84]

I've got a '45 M38 refurb with the CCCP mark, but my '37 un-refurbed all original matching 91/30 has the PCFCP mark on it. (both Izhevsk)

 

[mto7464]

Mine could also be that mark, just can;t read it.

 

[Marcus]

PC(l)CP (RSFSR) is the marking that was used on Izhevsk Mosin stocks in the early 1920's - up until around 1922-23, as I recall. Then it was changed to the more common CCCP (which translates to USSR).

Any 91/30, or late dragoon, with an RSFSR marked stock has had the stock replaced.

Izhevsk used the CCCP marking at least up through the end of WW2, but original WW2 laminated stocks from Izhevsk were not stamped with it.

Post-war made laminated and replacement stocks do not have this marking

 

[bones92]

Marcus, what is the approximate date when 91/30 stocks began to be notched behind the rear band (to facilitate removing the rear band)?

Seems I recall reading it was in the very early 30's but I can't find the reference info on it.