[jonny c.]

I'm pretty sure that Russian, N. Korean, N. Viet, Albanian, E. German, Romanian, some Chinese, and early Yugo M59s are all C&R. Can someone tell me:
A. Is that correct?
B. Did I miss any?
C. Which Chinese and Yugo SKSs are C&R?

 

[Ol Duke In Memoriam]

All Yugo's are C&R while no Chinese are C&R with possibly one exception, but, I doubt it, the Sino-Soviet rifles that start with a letter followed by 4 numbers, ie, J2345.
I bought mine from an individual, so, he didn't ask for my C&R, just $150....

 

[jonny c.]

OK, so all are....except all/most from China.

 

[Ol Duke In Memoriam]

Yeah, Brother Billy Clinton poo-poo'd the Chinese rifles and doubtless they will ever be C&R even since they are over 50 years old....just wait until they qualify as non-guns after 100 years old..

 

[allanschisel]

They actually made a regulation against Chinese rifles not becoming C&R after 50 years? Is it just SKSs? Just any semi-auto?
Allan Schisel

 

[jonny c.]

I posted my question on one other site and got this answer:

"I've been told that the problem with the Chinese rifles is a lack of independently verifiable information regarding which ones are genuine military surplus and which ones were new production for American commercial sale. The latter were often purposefully built to appear similar to the former, right down to the markings."

If dating the rifles is technically impossible, Ole Duke might be close to right.

 

[Ol Duke In Memoriam]

Like jonny said in his quote from another site, the reliability of proper dating of the Chinese rifles, some made for military, others for commercial sales into the U.S....who knows, but you don't see any going as C&R's now and if dates were the case, they should be clear of the 50 years starting at 1956+50=2006, but nope, not then and not now. Someone would probably need to query the folks at the BATF&E that make the determination.

 

[allanschisel]

Maybe the Chinese government will cooperate and give us their records. Naw, they'd probably back date everything to make more sales.
Allan Schisel

 

[Ol Duke In Memoriam]

Yep, probably would. I wonder what happened to all those Chinese SKS' that got stopped from entering when Billy embargoed them. You reckon they turned around and went to Somalia and deposited them?

 

[PRIMO1]

Weren't the Albanians mostly made around and after 1968? In that case, they would not be classified as C&R.

 

[TheKid]

The Albanians fell under "of historical significant" or something like that.......I believe...

 

[izzytok46]

They actually made a regulation against Chinese rifles not becoming C&R after 50 years? Is it just SKSs? Just any semi-auto?
Allan Schisel

The problem is no dates on the rifles and nobody over here knows how to tell when they were made. Of course they ALSO stopped importation from China anyway, but the ones that made it here still can't be verified for C&R

 

[AbueloMark]

I can see where individual Sino SKSs would be C&R if they had documentation (capture papers) to go with them. But that would likely have to be applied for on an individual basis.

 

[Xygorak]

Another exception would be the Bosnian made SKSs that AIM had recently. They were new made in 2011 (from parts?). AIM did not sell them as C&R if memory serves.

 

[trainsktg]

Okay, I gotta throw this wrench in the works...............just because a weapon is 100yrs old doesn't automatically make it a non-gun. There are alot of post-1898 pre-1912 weapons that are not non-guns as we speak, and probably never will be classified as such. I think the law specifically has to do with before 1898............correct? Someone please enlighten me on the 100yr automatic non-gun thing if I am incorrect, as it's late and I'm tired.

Dale

You are absolutely correct. A gun must be made prior to 1899 to be classified as an antique.

Also, the 'C&R' category didn't appear on the scene until 1986. Import of military surplus firearms was not allowed from 1968 to 1986.

Keith

 

[jjk308 In Memoriam RIP]

It's 1 jan 1899 or earlier, not 100 years, for "non-firearm" antique status.

Remember "Innocent until proved guilty"? The ATF has to prove that a gun was made less than 50 years ago. Otherwise it's C&R. If you have any authoritative way of dating its manufacture, if pre 1962, then its C&R, regardless of any markings on the gun, and the ATF doesn't have a case.
If anyone cares enough and reads Mandarin it may be possible to get SKS factory records. That's assuming they aren't military secrets. otherwise everything in China is for sale. This probably would have been done if SKSs were still being imported.

BTW the younger Albanians, Yugos, etc were classified C&R thanks to being certified by a public museum curator as being of significant special interest, etc... Unlike the 50 year rule this isn't automatic and a firearm accepted via this process as C&R by the ATF then goes on the list, although most of the firearms listed have aged to beyond 50 by now.

 

[KYGun]

Most curio and relics are 50 years or older, but there's lots of newer guns that are considered collector's guns, that are curio and relic as well. A lot of US domestic guns qualify for this C & R designation. Don't know who decides this but check out the listing and you'll see many newer guns with the limited edition production numbers on the list.

 

[Magus]

All Yugo's are C&R while no Chinese are C&R with possibly one exception, but, I doubt it, the Sino-Soviet rifles that start with a letter followed by 4 numbers, ie, J2345.
I bought mine from an individual, so, he didn't ask for my C&R, just $150....

Sino-Soviets are all 50+ years old, so they're automatically C&R. Despite what some people seem to think, the ban on import of Chinese-made guns has no bearing on C&R status. Under that import regulation, the government simply doesn't care whether the gun in question is C&R.