C&R Logging
It is my understanding that a CRFFL has to log in everything, even if it was not purchased using the CRFFL per se.
It is my understanding that a CRFFL has to log in everything, even if it was not purchased using the CRFFL per se.
First things, first, you don't "use" an FFL (C&R or otherwise.) You are either licensed or you are not licensed. If you are licensed, you need to follow the regulations. As a C&R licensee, you are required to log all C&R firearms' acquisitons and dispositions.If you have a C&R license and buy a C&R qualifying gun from a gunshow without using the license, does the purchase have to be recorded in the gun log. I got my license about two months ago. I have been collecting for two years now and already had made purchases way before I even knew about getting the license. What is my obligation about recording the previous purchases as well?? I have read the paperwork sent with the license but didn't see this covered or missed it.
Well, there's neither law nor regulation that prohibits multiple sets of bound books/log, but more to the point of your question, why would they even care if you have multiple logs, as long as they're legitmate? Plenty of FFLs keep multiple books, one of the more prevalent exaples that comes to mind is the FFL/SOT keeping one log for Title I firearms, and another log for Title II/NFA devices.Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought that the ATF did not permit duplicate log books.
Guns older than 1898 are considered antiques, not C&R, and therefore don't fall under the ATF's purview. Unless you live in New Jersey you don't need anything.Have a new posting here. I see the others are quite old. Can a C&R (or just a citizen?) send a 160 year old revolver to an unlicensed gunsmith? Thanks
With all respect, this is incorrect. You do not record all C&R firearms you have in your possession prior to getting your license. If this were the case, the logic would follow that you must record all dispositions of firearms that you disposed of prior to getting your license. I have a copy of a BATF letter somewhere in this computer that clearly states this, and this has been beat to death many times on this forum. Once again, record all C&R firearms that you acquire after you get you license. Record all dispositions while you have that license. When your license expires you do not have to send your books to the BATF, although not a wise thing to do, you can throw it away if you want. And for heavens sake, don't record every firearm you have in there whether C&R or not. No where does the rules say to do that. All of this should be clear before you even apply for the thing.The way I understand it, C&R purchases made prior
to obtaining your C&R license or after (without using your C&R)
should be entered in your bound book.
(unless you've kept good receipts of those not acquired with the license)
That's my take on it.
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You are only required to log in C&R acquisitions and dispositions while you have your 03 license but some people find the book a good place to keep (even thought they are not required to) a list of all their firearms along with all relevant information in case there ever is a problem. Also a lot of license holders keep a duplicate log book off site, I keep a copy at the office in case there ever is a fire or other problem at home..
I agree with the first part of this post, however the highlighted section is not in keeping with federal regulations, which state that any record of acquisition and disposition of a firearm by a licensee which is required to be created by law or regulation must be retained by the licensee or ex-licensee for 20 years. We've been over this point as well in previous posts, but here again is the obscurely worded CFR which requires 20 year retention of bound books:With all respect, this is incorrect. You do not record all C&R firearms you have in your possession prior to getting your license. If this were the case, the logic would follow that you must record all dispositions of firearms that you disposed of prior to getting your license. I have a copy of a BATF letter somewhere in this computer that clearly states this, and this has been beat to death many times on this forum. Once again, record all C&R firearms that you acquire after you get you license. Record all dispositions while you have that license. When your license expires you do not have to send your books to the BATF, although not a wise thing to do, you can throw it away if you want. And for heavens sake, don't record every firearm you have in there whether C&R or not. No where does the rules say to do that. All of this should be clear before you even apply for the thing.
I am mistaken, and you are correct.I agree with the first part of this post, however the highlighted section is not in keeping with federal regulations, which state that any record of acquisition and disposition of a firearm by a licensee which is required to be created by law or regulation must be retained by the licensee or ex-licensee for 20 years. We've been over this point as well in previous posts, but here again is the obscurely worded CFR which requires 20 year retention of bound books:
27 CFR 478.129 Record retention.
(e) Records of dealers and collectors
under the Act. The records prepared
by licensed dealers and licensed collectors
under the Act of the sale or other disposition
of firearms and the corresponding
record of receipt of such firearms shall be
retained through December 15, 1988, after
which records of transactions over 20
years of age may be discarded.