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Brett257
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Posted - 06/04/2005 : 10:00:50 AM
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As many of you know, I am new to collecting. The things I have learned so far are that you should be patient and you should make sure what you are buying is original. That leads me to the question posed. Is the duffle cut considered original or does it decrease the value of the gun? I have found a gun I am considering buying but I wanted to know.

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Brett

The Great Billdildoe
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Posted - 06/04/2005 : 10:08:23 AM
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Dduff cut devalue - in short yes and or no. It depends on how brutal and where the cut was made. If under the rear band generally no , as that is a repair that can be done and hidden . Exposed cuts tend to devlaue a peice to some small to large dergree depending again on how severe. If the stock is unsanded I reattach these and let the missing kerf cut be as it is - as to sand it flush would be rather stupid and definately harm value.

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josef
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Posted - 06/04/2005 : 12:29:13 PM
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I guess it does devalue it, but I have to say, my favorite k98 is not my most valuable. I love my dou44 vet bringback duffle cut, even more than my all matching dual code. Only because it tells a story I suppose.


Hambone
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Posted - 06/05/2005 : 4:16:32 PM
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Yes.

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Brett257
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Posted - 06/05/2005 : 6:44:44 PM
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Hambone,
Yes, it does decrease the value...

or

Yes, it is original?

Brett



Hambone
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Posted - 06/05/2005 : 8:31:31 PM
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Yes, it decreases the value. And yes, rifles that are "duffle cut" are those that were mailed home. This cut is attributable to a length restriction on mailing, not dufflebags. When the action is removed from the stock, the stock is still over the mailing restriction of the time, which at this time I do not recall. Back in the day (the '80's), cut stocks depreciated a piece more because there were alot more original matching rifles available. Now, it still detracts, though not as much. I have a couple rifles in my collection that are cut and I am fond of both. I'd say a "dufflecut" these days will result in a 10-25% depreciation over a noncut. I prefer a dufflecut to pitting or a sewer bore, however.


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Originally posted by Brett257

Hambone,
Yes, it does decrease the value...

or

Yes, it is original?

Brett


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Clay
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Posted - 06/05/2005 : 8:38:18 PM
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What Bill says goes for me too.
Clay


graf
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Posted - 06/05/2005 : 11:41:46 PM
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I tend to agree with Ham on this one; it always de-values a rifle over a uncut one but imo not quite 10% unless its distracting- if the repair was done by a burger flipping moron then yes 25% or more but if done right then less than 10% for me...
I would never let a duffle cut stop me from buying a rifle & it rates pretty low on my priorities but it does de-value.

This is a personal issue really and you'll find as many perspectives as collectors-



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Originally posted by Hambone

Yes, it decreases the value. And yes, rifles that are "duffle cut" are those that were mailed home. This cut is attributable to a length restriction on mailing, not dufflebags. When the action is removed from the stock, the stock is still over the mailing restriction of the time, which at this time I do not recall. Back in the day (the '80's), cut stocks depreciated a piece more because there were alot more original matching rifles available. Now, it still detracts, though not as much. I have a couple rifles in my collection that are cut and I am fond of both. I'd say a "dufflecut" these days will result in a 10-25% depreciation over a noncut. I prefer a dufflecut to pitting or a sewer bore, however.


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Brett257
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Posted - 06/06/2005 : 12:37:01 AM
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The rifle which I'm considering to buy has a duffel-cut, it is under the lower band and cannot even be seen. It is very clean and looks like it was done with care. I just want to know what to look for.

One quick inside the post question, one should never consider a rifle with pitting correct?

Thanks,
Brett


Hambone
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2647 Posts
Posted - 06/06/2005 : 08:00:54 AM
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and I agree with Graf's comments. Don't let a duffle cut stop you. I also have rifles with some pitting, and some with bad bores, because I needed the particular rifle codes. These are not just ideal qualities. Again, duffle cuts are not as much a devaluation factor as they used to be and some may point to such a cut as provenance. Some times the cut is past the band and can be seen. Such a cut (especially at an angle) makes for a better repair for shooting, but not collecting. Repairing one under the band is an easy matter, though I don't know how much shooting I'd do with one.

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csb
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USA
145 Posts
Posted - 06/06/2005 : 4:26:25 PM
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I acquired an all-matching 98a that has the "duffle bag cut" to the stock. Did this slow me down in buying the unit? Not even a little! I've got a wonderful gunsmith [David Von Drasek, owner of Buckhorn Gun Shop, 165 Bramble Way Roseburg, Oregon 97470 (541)672-0676] whose putting it back together as I write this. When he's done, it will be as close to perfect as it can be. The stock repair on my 71/84 Amberg he performed is virtually un-detectable--he's that good.
Duffle Bag cuts are something I live with if the piece warrants that I do. An all-matching, original 98a {that arrived with a pristine 98/05 as part of the deal!} definitely warrants it!

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