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Posted - 08/05/2007 : 3:16:08 PM
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What to do today? Thought I'd take some pictures. Here is a Bulgarian M1888-90. Original blueing is intact. Unfortunately there is some pitting. The letter at the end of the serial # is P: meaning secondary materials for export. Note the Bulgarian lion on the barrel. Hope you like it. Sling is also Bulgarian.
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Edited by - dg13 on 08/05/2007 3:17:24 PM
Nick
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Posted - 08/05/2007 : 8:39:18 PM
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Originally posted by dg13
...The letter at the end of the serial # is P: meaning secondary materials for export...
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Interesting info! Do you mind quoting the source?
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dg13
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Posted - 08/05/2007 : 9:22:05 PM
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Sorry for the confusion. I meant that the ":" means for export. I correct myself--it does not mean secondary. The "P" is just part of the serial #. As to source, I would have to lean on my experiance in looking at Chilean 1886 and 1888 mannlichers which also have ":" on them. I've never seen that mark on an Austrian mannlicher.
dg13
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dg13
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Posted - 08/05/2007 : 9:22:50 PM
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Sorry for the confusion. I meant that the ":" means for export. I correct myself--it does not mean secondary. The "P" is just part of the serial #. As to source, I would have to lean on my experiance in looking at Chilean 1886 and 1888 mannlichers which also have ":" on them. I've never seen that mark on an Austrian mannlicher.
dg13
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dg13
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Posted - 08/05/2007 : 9:23:20 PM
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Sorry for the confusion. I meant that the ":" means for export. I correct myself--it does not mean secondary. The "P" is just part of the serial #. As to source, I would have to lean on my experiance in looking at Chilean 1886 and 1888 mannlichers which also have ":" on them. I've never seen that mark on an Austrian mannlicher.
dg13
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Prez1981
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Posted - 08/05/2007 : 9:38:13 PM
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I have two 88/90's with the ":" marking after the serial number. The first is a N: Bulgarian 88/90 I recently received from Nick. THe other is an M: block 88/90 with no Bulgarian markings (or Chilean)-it also bears an St.90 marking on the chamber. Actually, the ":" marking is three vertical dots, not just two. My other 88/90, 86/90, and 90 have either no letter block or a normal letter. I'm guessing the rifles without a suffix are for the "ubersee" contracts, as most I have seen are above 30,000.
Nice rifles!!!
Nick
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Posted - 08/05/2007 : 9:59:49 PM
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More dots. Both rifles are Bulgarian-marked, G and W suffixes:
I personally think the dots are result of a hardness test, where a minimum of three probes are required. Nothing coded or with special meaning, just tests traces.
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Nick
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Posted - 08/05/2007 : 10:08:43 PM
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@#$%^& triple posting and backward counting!!!
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dg13
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Posted - 08/05/2007 : 10:10:00 PM
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Very interesting--I've never seen three dotes together! just 2. You are never to old to learn something! Especially in this hobby!
dg13
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MauserboyM48
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Posted - 08/06/2007 : 12:45:05 AM
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is it possible to get a better picture of the action and the bolt separate from the action?
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Posted - 08/06/2007 : 09:35:48 AM
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Originally posted by MauserboyM48
is it possible to get a better picture of the action and the bolt separate from the action?
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I took these some time ago as a comparison of M88 and Gew88. Top to bottom: Mannlicher M1886, Mannlicher M1888, Gewehr 1888.
Note the beveled bolt face of Mannlicher M1886:
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"It's impossible to grasp the boundless" - Kozma Prutkov
dg13
Gunboards.Com Silver Star Member
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822 Posts
Posted - 08/05/2007 : 3:16:08 PM
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What to do today? Thought I'd take some pictures. Here is a Bulgarian M1888-90. Original blueing is intact. Unfortunately there is some pitting. The letter at the end of the serial # is P: meaning secondary materials for export. Note the Bulgarian lion on the barrel. Hope you like it. Sling is also Bulgarian.
Download Attachment:
40.27 KB
Download Attachment:
35.51 KB
Download Attachment:
29.95 KB
Download Attachment:
49.91 KB
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"One Nation UNDER GOD"
"IN GOD WE TRUST"
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Edited by - dg13 on 08/05/2007 3:17:24 PM
Nick
Moderator
USA
1151 Posts
Posted - 08/05/2007 : 8:39:18 PM
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quote:
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Originally posted by dg13
...The letter at the end of the serial # is P: meaning secondary materials for export...
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Interesting info! Do you mind quoting the source?
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"It's impossible to grasp the boundless" - Kozma Prutkov
dg13
Gunboards.Com Silver Star Member
USA
822 Posts
Posted - 08/05/2007 : 9:22:05 PM
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Sorry for the confusion. I meant that the ":" means for export. I correct myself--it does not mean secondary. The "P" is just part of the serial #. As to source, I would have to lean on my experiance in looking at Chilean 1886 and 1888 mannlichers which also have ":" on them. I've never seen that mark on an Austrian mannlicher.
dg13
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"One Nation UNDER GOD"
"IN GOD WE TRUST"
dg13
Gunboards.Com Silver Star Member
USA
822 Posts
Posted - 08/05/2007 : 9:22:50 PM
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Sorry for the confusion. I meant that the ":" means for export. I correct myself--it does not mean secondary. The "P" is just part of the serial #. As to source, I would have to lean on my experiance in looking at Chilean 1886 and 1888 mannlichers which also have ":" on them. I've never seen that mark on an Austrian mannlicher.
dg13
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"One Nation UNDER GOD"
"IN GOD WE TRUST"
dg13
Gunboards.Com Silver Star Member
USA
822 Posts
Posted - 08/05/2007 : 9:23:20 PM
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Sorry for the confusion. I meant that the ":" means for export. I correct myself--it does not mean secondary. The "P" is just part of the serial #. As to source, I would have to lean on my experiance in looking at Chilean 1886 and 1888 mannlichers which also have ":" on them. I've never seen that mark on an Austrian mannlicher.
dg13
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"One Nation UNDER GOD"
"IN GOD WE TRUST"
Prez1981
Gunboards.Com Silver Star Member
USA
871 Posts
Posted - 08/05/2007 : 9:38:13 PM
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I have two 88/90's with the ":" marking after the serial number. The first is a N: Bulgarian 88/90 I recently received from Nick. THe other is an M: block 88/90 with no Bulgarian markings (or Chilean)-it also bears an St.90 marking on the chamber. Actually, the ":" marking is three vertical dots, not just two. My other 88/90, 86/90, and 90 have either no letter block or a normal letter. I'm guessing the rifles without a suffix are for the "ubersee" contracts, as most I have seen are above 30,000.
Nice rifles!!!
Nick
Moderator
USA
1151 Posts
Posted - 08/05/2007 : 9:59:49 PM
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More dots. Both rifles are Bulgarian-marked, G and W suffixes:
I personally think the dots are result of a hardness test, where a minimum of three probes are required. Nothing coded or with special meaning, just tests traces.
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"It's impossible to grasp the boundless" - Kozma Prutkov
Nick
Moderator
USA
1151 Posts
Posted - 08/05/2007 : 10:08:43 PM
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@#$%^& triple posting and backward counting!!!
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"It's impossible to grasp the boundless" - Kozma Prutkov
dg13
Gunboards.Com Silver Star Member
USA
822 Posts
Posted - 08/05/2007 : 10:10:00 PM
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Very interesting--I've never seen three dotes together! just 2. You are never to old to learn something! Especially in this hobby!
dg13
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"One Nation UNDER GOD"
"IN GOD WE TRUST"
MauserboyM48
Gunboards.Com Gold Star Member
USA
1251 Posts
Posted - 08/06/2007 : 12:45:05 AM
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is it possible to get a better picture of the action and the bolt separate from the action?
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www.ronpaul2008.com Join the Revolution. Ron Paul 2008.
"The main thing is to make history, not to write it."
-Otto Von Bismarck
"If you strike me down I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine."
Every collector needs:
A Mauser variation
A Mosin-Nagant
An Enfield
A K31
A M1
A M95
Nick
Moderator
USA
1151 Posts
Posted - 08/06/2007 : 09:35:48 AM
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quote:
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Originally posted by MauserboyM48
is it possible to get a better picture of the action and the bolt separate from the action?
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I took these some time ago as a comparison of M88 and Gew88. Top to bottom: Mannlicher M1886, Mannlicher M1888, Gewehr 1888.
Note the beveled bolt face of Mannlicher M1886:
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"It's impossible to grasp the boundless" - Kozma Prutkov
