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Exactly, our reasoning is insanity to them. Their reasoning is insanity to us. The only way liberals, progressives, socialists and communists understand anything is when they are personally affected and in the terms of leftist leadership that usually involves an attempt at evacuation via helicopter 🚁 while the populace is charging the pad with torches and pitchforks.
 

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Not even then sometimes. That's why they repeat the same mistakes endlessly, despite the obvious failures from the previous attempts at whatever it was.
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Unfortunately when a true believer is involved nothing is certain other than a bad result that’s the exact opposite of logic.

Here we go again, the old “Gun Show Loophole” thing. Sigh! here's my contention:

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A "GUN-SHOW LOOPHOLE", & THERE NEVER HAS BEEN.

Let me be utterly specific on this. There is not & never has been, anywhere, ever, a loophole that allows anything at all to be done legally at a gun-show that would be illegal anywhere else in the same geographical area!


I’ve been issuing this challenge forever to prove or disprove the “Gun Show Loophole” (as perceived by liberals). When pushed to actually tell me EXACTLY what it actually is they can't.

They default to evasions, distractions, insults & plain & fancy outright lies. When someone finally took me up on the challenge she was so certain her “feel” out weighed any “Truthines of Facts” & screwed it up massively just on Friday**. When I saw her last she was having a heated discussion with a security guard & “Officer Friendly” about her attempt & “showing me up”!

If you want to just copy/paste this & feel free to use it to challenge your detractors as well.

THE CHALLENGE:
Write down exactly what you “believe” the Gun-Show Loophole to be. To be illegible it must be both legal in a gunshow, but not legal outside in the same geographical area. (otherwise its not both “Gunshow & Loophole) & it must not violate any Federal, State, or local laws (Because then its not a loophole).

Make 2 copies & keep 1 original.
Pick a neutral 3rd party to be referee. Give that person the sealed envelope containing your interpretation of the Gun Show Loophole.
Now I (as the denier) will pay reasonable transportation costs over a reasonable distance (no freebie trips to the opposite coast allowed but 1 state over is fine.), I’ll also pay your admission to the show & even pay for lunch (assuming you make it that long). Now you the witness & I will cruise the show until you (the believer) feel its time to exercise the legal loophole. The witness & I will be close by, but not interacting with the process (so we can’t be accused of “interference”).
We’ll let you do whatever you “imagine” is the secret process that you’ve previously documented & sealed. Working from your copy of the letter or document, whichever you prefer to call it.We will let you go right up to the edge of committing a Class “B” Federal Felony, or other legal infraction, but will stop you just in time.
Now we’ll open the envelope & see how your “feelings” worked in the real world. All you have to do is participate in the write up of what transpired & agree to its publishing.

So far (5 ½ years later 8/8/'19) I'm 26 for 1 on takers with one Foul Proceeding) Numbers 1 through 26 have exactly replicated what I stated they would several years ago in para 6 “They default to evasions, distractions, insults & plain & fancy outright lies”

**UPDATE:

Actually it was a couple of years ago at this point. She was SO certain the loophole would open somewhere, somehow during the legal process that she never at any point stopped believing in it, even over several weeks of legal fol de rol. The end result was a plea bargain but she's now on the "Prohibited Persons list". (which doesn't bother her a bit as she "never wanted a gun anyway in the first place") but its my fault she has a criminal record now.
 

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They don't want to have to worry about armed "subjects" rising up against their tyrannical BS. They're getting a small taste at the local level recently in Michigan. People are fed up with the Covid lock-down and are protesting with arms.
 

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Oh Str8pull, you used a naive standard to evaluate Biden and Harris. Do you think they don't know these? No, they are clear than any of us because they are politicians. They know the consequence of control firearms. Sheep civil will create a wolf government, they understand this better than anybody. The reason they want to do this is they want to limit civil's power first, and then they will use those left side mainstream media to wash our brain like what China communist government did. Finally, everybody will become slaves to serve those Demo politicians and Wallstreet rich and powerful people.
 

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Well yer all wrong. As I mentioned before in 2016 there was a survey of liberals who owned guns. They came up with 10 mil. Course lots of us ain't gonna respond to some stupid survey anyways so I think in all reality there's prolly 50 mil independents and liberals that own guns.
Liberal gun forums are full of us that do not want gun laws.

It's so stupid to think only republicans own guns . I laugh my ass off when I hear statements like have been said here.

The gun banners are a very small minority. And it don't help when crazed righteous religious radical right dudes go shoot up some gay bar or church.
 

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Or stage armed protests outside a politicians house while she and her 4 year old son are trying to decorate a Christmas tree.
Every time the average housewife sees a proud boy type wagging an AR around in public, there's one more vote against gun ownership.
 

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I definitely agree with all the above, I think the point I was trying to make with those stories is it appears they are just kidding themselves and that they are going to fail with this type of gun grab, as it seems that the liberals up here are struggling to justify it and are facing much more resistance than they probably expected, I don't think they're going to get away with it. Gun owners here are not just going to lay down our arms as easily as they thought and I know they're going to be in for one hell battle if they try down in the U.S. Which gives me hope that we will win this battle in both countries.
 

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Oh Str8pull, you used a naive standard to evaluate Biden and Harris. Do you think they don't know these? No, they are clear than any of us because they are politicians. They know the consequence of control firearms. Sheep civil will create a wolf government, they understand this better than anybody. The reason they want to do this is they want to limit civil's power first, and then they will use those left side mainstream media to wash our brain like what China communist government did. Whoever you are a brave Texian or an gun owner, nobody can resist brainwash. Finally, everybody will become slave to serve those Demo politicians and Wallstreet rich and powerful people.
Brain wash and become a slave ????????????????? Hey Dude, I'm a 3 combat vet, and 28 years Green Beret.....that shit I bolded in your comments ain't happening by a long shot. and yeah, my family hailed from Texas.

Further more, the guys and gals on this forum, they'll be by soon to light you up too. Get ready for the enema from Hell. .
 

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Brain wash and become a slave ????????????????? Hey Dude, I'm a 3 combat vet, and 28 years Green Beret.....that shit I bolded in your comments ain't happening by a long shot. and yeah, my family hailed from Texas.

Further more, the guys and gals on this forum, they'll be by soon to light you up too. Get ready for the enema from Hell. .
milprileb, I don't have meaning to offend you and your family and I admire your bravery for this country. However, I saw some college students in red states have trend to Biden. Brainwash is not a short term plan, it will continue several generations. Please image, we know we have the faith to defend brainwash because we know it, what about our children? Our children's children? I was born in China and immigranted to the US, I saw they brainwashed people like slave, cannot consider, cannot resist the government's order. I don't want to let this happen again, nobody should feel this. I used "brave Texian" because I really admire Texian, Texas has standed out and help Trump to fight fraud, it let me feel the light again. Please forgive my misnomer.
 

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Based on the number of people obeying mask orders (which by the numbers increase covid cases) I think passing these rules in the US will be much easier than people think. The farm is chock full of sheep and it's rare to see a bull. It's really quite sad to watch the sheep run off to slaughter. Further lockdowns are on the horizon to crush small business and put those that finally got jobs back on the welfare rolls to enslave them with free food, healthcare, rent, and college.
 

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Well yer all wrong. As I mentioned before in 2016 there was a survey of liberals who owned guns. They came up with 10 mil. Course lots of us ain't gonna respond to some stupid survey anyways so I think in all reality there's prolly 50 mil independents and liberals that own guns.
Liberal gun forums are full of us that do not want gun laws.

It's so stupid to think only republicans own guns . I laugh my ass off when I hear statements like have been said here.

The gun banners are a very small minority. And it don't help when crazed righteous religious radical right dudes go shoot up some gay bar or church.
I've known several liberal gun owners, going back to the 1980's when I first started noticing politics (I'm 50). Of course its not just republicans owning guns, never has been.
I think much of the difference that you gloss over is that even though liberal gun owners don't wish to see them banned, the issue is not the big deal, get out the vote issue that it is for republicans. Liberal gun owners seem to bend on this issue when it comes down to brass tacks and they have to pick who for whom they will vote.

The crowning irony to me is that it was the republicans who bent on gun laws - 1986 FOPA, 1989 military semi-auto import ban under HW Bush, and most recently Trump banning bump stocks. The gun grabbers should be voting republican - they've enacted more and more permanent changes than anything since the 1968 GCA.

Prior to W Bush, I think the reason for that was that there was more compromise going on. The bulk of the republican base would accept the laws if their guys agreed to them, on the assumption that they had fought for the best deal they could get. Personally, I think they were fooled by that, but then I've always been a lot more libertarian than most so I tend to think that way. W Bush's unpopularity with the liberals, followed up by Obama's high handed popularity with them really killed any notions of compromise - I think that is why a lot of independents supported Trump in 2016. They were giving the liberals the finger after Obama.

All just my casual opinion of course, and not even really that well informed opinion compared to some.
 

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Exactly, it doesn't help when anyone goes and shoots up anyone. It also doesn't help when liberals who own guns and actually enjoy guns either for sport or self defense slowly and methodically vote in individuals who are or listen to a small minority of delusional utopian based freaks.
 

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The only person who is afraid of the opposition is Trump. Turning the White House into what looks like a prison to keep the people out and hide in his basement.

I bet Biden takes it down as he should. It's we the peoples house, not the presidents to cower in.

And these type authoritarians are the first to totally ban guns. I seen it in south America more times than I can count. The dude won't even walk down the street or take a run in the streets, grab a burger or sammich in DC like past Presidents he is so paranoid of getting shot.

Hates breeds more hate and he is the biggest hater of them all.

It's not the liberals you should worry about. It's the guy hiding behind the wall. Mark my words.
 

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The only person who is afraid of the opposition is Trump. Turning the White House into what looks like a prison to keep the people out and hide in his basement.

I bet Biden takes it down as he should. It's we the peoples house, not the presidents to cower in.

And these type authoritarians are the first to totally ban guns. I seen it in south America more times than I can count. The dude won't even walk down the street or take a run in the streets, grab a burger or sammich in DC like past Presidents he is so paranoid of getting shot.

Hates breeds more hate and he is the biggest hater of them all.

It's not the liberals you should worry about. It's the guy hiding behind the wall. Mark my words.
well said, bravo
 
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