[badger]

116686385 Gunbroker just closed.

regards
badger

 

[hendere]

Interesting. What does it say? New one on me.

 

[Feldscher]

Wrong sling, reasonable price, nice attempt to get a top $$$ from spontaneous buyer .
1905 Japanese capture?
I sent the link to this auction to a friend of mine. His feeling was that it may have been captured from Russian civil guards at KVZhD (Estern-Chinese Railroad).

 

[FGD135]

Went pretty cheap.

 

[vintovka]

The imperial mark appears to be overstamped with a symbol. Does anyone know what it is or means?

 

[Nick]

Hmmm... a NR seller with a BS story about Vietnam capture... Scary! I was watching it but wouldn't have bid this much.

 

[Radom]

Only thing that matters is if the ChineseJapanese marking is legit. If it is, the rifle has an elusive Russo-Japanese War connection. That would make it really cool!

 

[jleiper]

Only thing that matters is if the ChineseJapanese marking is legit. If it is, the rifle has an elusive Russo-Japanese War connection. That would make it really cool!

What Radom says! The rifle itself is easily worth half again what the auction price was in Europe. If the Chinese doesn't translate to "DIE! Yankee Dog!" or "Customized for stupid Tourist" then the price goes up further. The stamping over the eagle is part of its history. The Nam story is probably hype, but you never know. My 1894 Dragoon came back from WWII Japan via a GI. It has no writing on it so its history will always be in question. This could have a solid connection to the 1905 war and in that case a great find for somebody.

Joe

 

[FGD135]

Post in Japanese forum

Someone should post this in the Japanese forum, I'm betting that is a Japanese training rifle marking on the stock. Would certainly make this a capture gun.

 

[Radom]

Well, we should get out more often! Somebody already went there. It is a school marking, Okawachi School (大川内校).
http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?t=77402
I'm fortunate to have a few Berdans, sorry I missed that one. Hopefully it went to someone we know.

 

[FGD135]

At least it doesn't say "Eat at Joe's"!

 

[hendere]

I'm in awe of the number of really cool guns hitting the market lately. I really wish this one was mine........

 

[Radom]

Woulda looked great next to my early config m91 marked for the Hoo City Police.

 

[vintovka]

still think the imperial overstamp is a clue to it's travels. Somehow reminds me of a similar mark on a mosin supposed to be from trans siberian railways circa 1920.

 

[Radom]

I just can't make it out.

 

[FGD135]

Although I don't know the true origin of this particular weapon, Lenin and Trotsky also gave away huge quantities of obsolete and then-current small arms to the Communists in China during the years immediately after WW1--trainloads of em, in fact, into northern China and Manchuria, thru Siberia.
There is every possibility that this rifle wasn't a R-JW capture, but is a weapon captured by Japanese forces from the Chinese during the Manchuria invasion and occupation in the 1930s.
Just a thought. Prob'ly will never know the answer.

 

[Radom]

That would still be really desireable to me!

 

[jleiper]

This would definitely be a piece I would like to have in my collection. I love pieces with verifiable history.

Joe