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I know, I know, the anti-gun media. But I've been hearing of a case or two in this area myself. A police officer was shot over near Fairfax, Va. with an AK. There are also reports of Mexican narco-trafficers getting AK's smuggled from the U.S.. The impression I get is that some on the other side of the law may be taking some of these Parts Kits, unfinished receiver flats, and have started into business making these for the bad guys. Maybe I'll catch hell for saying it, but this is only going to bring on another ban if things go in '08 as they could. This is the sort of thing that brought about Class III registration in the 1930's.
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Assault-Weapon Attacks on Rise in Miami


Sep 14, 4:54 PM (ET)

By MATT SEDENSKY

(MIAMI (AP) - The spray of bullets that killed a police officer and hurt three others this week came from something increasingly common on this city's streets: a high-powered assault weapon, fast becoming the gun of choice for gang members and violent criminals.

And when the guns, once found solely in the hands of soldiers, are aimed at officers on patrol, there's little authorities can do to escape.

"It's almost like we have water pistols going up against these high-powered rifles," said John Rivera, president of the Dade County Police Benevolent Association. "Our weaponry and our bulletproof vests don't match up to any of those types of weapons."

Federal officials don't compile statistics on the number of crimes involving assault weapons like the AK-47, and municipalities' numbers across the country are patchwork. But in Miami, at least, there are signs it is becoming a major problem.

In 2005, the Miami-Dade Police Department reported two homicides involving an assault rifle; last year there were 10. That agency covers numerous unincorporated areas in the nation's eighth-largest county, but not its biggest cities, which have their own police forces.

The Miami Police Department said 15 of its 79 homicides last year involved assault weapons, up from the year before. This year, already 12 of the 60 homicides have involved the high-power guns.

"We've noticed an increase in the amount of assault weapons that we've seen on the street, and certainly the amount that have been used in murders and other shootings," said Detective Delrish Moss. "And it seems to be increasing every year."

Police do not yet know where the 25-year-old suspect in Thursday's shooting of the Miami-Dade officers got his weapon. Shawn Sherwin Labeet was found hours later and 30 miles from the crime scene. Police said they shot and killed him after he refused to drop his firearm.

On Friday, officers arrested four people accused of aiding Labeet. Alba Bello, 47; her son, Alain Gonzalez, 24; and Bello's boyfriend, Lazaro Guardiola, 35, were charged with accessory after the fact on suspicion of harboring the killer. Labeet's girlfriend, Renee Dangelo, 26, was charged with giving police false information.

The rising number of deaths by assault weapons reflects growing availability of the weapons and their elevation to a status symbol among gang members, said Carlos Baixauli, an agent with the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

"In the early '80s to '90s, it was more common to have a handgun in your waistband and the bigger the caliber, the more powerful you were," Baixauli said. "Now it's escalated to the assault weapons."

Another issue potentially at play is the 2004 expiration of the federal assault weapons ban, 10 years after its passage. The legislation outlawed 19 types of guns, including the semiautomatic AK-47.

The guns are readily available on streets, Baixauli said, or can be ordered by mail for under $200.

Shootings involving assault weapons were among the reasons U.S. Attorney R. Alexander Acosta set up an anti-gang task force of federal, state and local law enforcement officials this year. He assigned 15 federal prosecutors, led by Assistant U.S. Attorney Ben Greenberg, to the effort.

"These bullets are very powerful: they go through walls, they go through cars, and if you just spray the general vicinity you're going to get innocent bystanders," Acosta said. "A shooting that might have been an injury previously is now a death."

Kevin Morison of the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund said his organization is considering tracking when assault weapons are involved in police shootings. Officer shootings had been on a downturn until this year.

More U.S. police officers were killed while on duty in the first six months of 2007 - 101 - than during any such period since 1978, according to the organization.

Rivera pleaded for leaders to allow police to carry higher-power weapons - though not necessarily as strong as some already on the street - and provide stronger protective vests.

"Give us a fighting chance," he said.

Police officials said they were bogged down with the aftermath of the shootings and unable to respond to Rivera's comments.

They did say they were trying to cope with the loss of Officer Jose Somohano.

The Miami-Dade department was helping to plan the funeral, and Officer Jody Wright was recovering from a gunshot wound to the right leg, said Cmdr. Linda O'Brien. The other two officers were treated and released.

"Anytime a fellow officer has been killed, it destroys us," O'Brien said. "It's almost got no words to it. Your blood just runs cold."
 

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"... can be ordered through the mail for less than $200". Ummm... no, they can't. A parts kit and a functional firearm are two different things. This also smacks of typical misinformed drivel. I am sure the gangbangers will obey gun regulation since they are such upstanding and moral folks who seek only social contact with like minded people. If liberal government gets their way, we will all be left with registered pellet rifles to defend ourselves.
 

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"Another issue potentially at play is the 2004 expiration of the federal assault weapons ban, 10 years after its passage. The legislation outlawed 19 types of guns, including the semiautomatic AK-47."

Hard to believe how ignorant some people are.

"These bullets are very powerful: they go through walls, they go through cars, and if you just spray the general vicinity you're going to get innocent bystanders," Acosta said. "A shooting that might have been an injury previously is now a death."

Oh yeah. We are so much better off when criminals shoot us with handguns instead of rifles. That damned assault weapon is a real problem, ain't it?
 

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not very long ago you could by single stack AKs for about 200..... not totaly a lie.
 

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The question i always want to ask is, were these people illegals or some of the boat people that Castro thru out and were allowed to become citizens because some former offical thought there country was too big a crap hole to send them back? How long a criminal history did any of these people involved have. Maby i am wrong and they were all law abiding upstanding citizens before this incident, but i dont think i will bet my money on it.
 

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I know someone who used to work for a clandestine gun factory in Miami run by Cubans. She was hired as a secretary, paid $4000 cash a month for her duties but in reality she assembled weapons all day.

Miami alone is a different nation than the U.S. as a whole, and then there are the slums which are different planets. This city has a big cultural problem regarding the glorification of violence (and it's symbols, such as the AK) and a severe lack of accountability when it comes time to assign fault. It's very complex.

That said, I love Miami, it's beaches, and it's women. I do worry, however, as to the future of our gun rights in this city.

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I know someone who used to work for a clandestine gun factory in Miami run by Cubans. She was hired as a secretary, paid $4000 cash a month for her duties but in reality she assembled weapons all day.

Miami alone is a different nation than the U.S. as a whole, and then there are the slums which are different planets. This city has a big cultural problem regarding the glorification of violence (and it's symbols, such as the AK) and a severe lack of accountability when it comes time to assign fault. It's very complex.

That said, I love Miami, it's beaches, and it's women. I do worry, however, as to the future of our gun rights in this city.

Eli
that might be the first city to adopt the California gun laws
 

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That's what I suspected...

I know someone who used to work for a clandestine gun factory in Miami run by Cubans. She was hired as a secretary, paid $4000 cash a month for her duties but in reality she assembled weapons all day.

Miami alone is a different nation than the U.S. as a whole, and then there are the slums which are different planets. This city has a big cultural problem regarding the glorification of violence (and it's symbols, such as the AK) and a severe lack of accountability when it comes time to assign fault. It's very complex.

That said, I love Miami, it's beaches, and it's women. I do worry, however, as to the future of our gun rights in this city.

Eli
It would be very easy for organized crime to move into the act, buy up parts kits and recevier flats then set up an underground gun factory. I couldn't figure the complants I'd heard about AK's being smuggled to the narco-types in Mexico, apparently from the U.S. and in some quantity. The unfortunate thing is the backwash it will have on legitimate shooters.
 

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"Another issue potentially at play is the 2004 expiration of the federal assault weapons ban, 10 years after its passage. The legislation outlawed 19 types of guns, including the semiautomatic AK-47."

Hard to believe how ignorant some people are.

"These bullets are very powerful: they go through walls, they go through cars, and if you just spray the general vicinity you're going to get innocent bystanders," Acosta said. "A shooting that might have been an injury previously is now a death."
It's the word "spray" that tips me off that this writer is one of the legions of ignorant "reporters" who don't know the difference between "semiautomatic" and "automatic." He's trying to conjure up an image of "machine guns" hosing a wall of bullets left and right.

The ignorance of the press is not only profound, it's probably at least partly deliberate. They "know" that all guns are Evil Personified, and they have absolutely no desire to learn the truth even when it's put before them.

Anyone with even marginal brains would be focusing on the people who use the guns rather than the guns themselves. But that might lead the masses to start asking questions that the leftist governmedia would rather not be answered.
 

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"The question i always want to ask is, were these people illegals or some of the boat people that Castro thru out'

Not illegals but let's just say this family's background isn't from Ozzie & Harriet. All too typical of the ghetto rats that infest south Florida. You don't have to go to Port-au-Prince any more to see what Haiti or any other 3rd world country looks like. There is a large segment of the population here that is not assimilated, and some make no effort to become so. Ergo, values that have allowed us to be fairly civilized in the past do not exist in these enclaves.

And the AKs are nothing exotic, just MAK-90s & WASrs for the most part. Straw purchases at gunshows & shops are the order of the day. I have a vested interest in the topic as I'm sending two officers to the Metro-Dade funeral tomorrow, and had a deputy wounded via ghetto rat AK last year.

Not that the media or demo-soccer moms get it, but it's a cultural issue, not a legal one.
 

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I live about 1/2 hour away from Allentown, PA. I had heard hispanic gangs have been overrunning that town and neighboring Bethlehem. Recently there was a big shootout at a nightclub I had gone to 10 years ago. A couple of guys apparently started flashing "gang" signs then the bullets started flying.

This club was definitely a "white" club when I went there a decade back.

Shooting anyone who looks at you crosseyed must be part of this wonderful "multiculturalism" I keep hearing about.

These people believe they live outside the law (and outside the sovreignty of the US). Passing more laws will not help.
 

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"The question i always want to ask is, were these people illegals or some of the boat people that Castro thru out'

Not illegals but let's just say this family's background isn't from Ozzie & Harriet. All too typical of the ghetto rats that infest south Florida. You don't have to go to Port-au-Prince any more to see what Haiti or any other 3rd world country looks like. There is a large segment of the population here that is not assimilated, and some make no effort to become so. Ergo, values that have allowed us to be fairly civilized in the past do not exist in these enclaves.

And the AKs are nothing exotic, just MAK-90s & WASrs for the most part. Straw purchases at gunshows & shops are the order of the day. I have a vested interest in the topic as I'm sending two officers to the Metro-Dade funeral tomorrow, and had a deputy wounded via ghetto rat AK last year.

Not that the media or demo-soccer moms get it, but it's a cultural issue, not a legal one.

AMEN, Brother!
 

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What the hell is an assault weapon? Someone got a definite description? I am sick and tired of these media buzz words. I sure as hell do not think we should support them by useing their terms.
 

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What the hell is an assault weapon? Someone got a definite description? I am sick and tired of these media buzz words. I sure as hell do not think we should support them by useing their terms.
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Cheers my friend. What exactly is one? Let's define the discussion ourselves.
 

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I think its time that people fight back. Don't let these dirty stinking third world country rats destroy our communites. Don't rely on the government to do anything. If these people want war we'll give them one!
 

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I talked to a customer of mine the other day who lives in FL and I guess the police will be sporting M16`s in the squad cars now

Actually Ken I think they AR-15s, down in Palm Beach County. Bushmasters from what I heard. 400 rifles won't arm all the deputies in that rather large jurisdiction but I guess it's a start.

Don't know if the sheriff there is simply reacting to the recent spate of cop shootings in S. Florida (6 in the past month or so, three killed), or if he is just using the opportunity to prepare for the future. The gang situation there is getting out of hand ........
 
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