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Contrast how we treat Madoff with house arrest for stealing $50 Billion compare to how the Tal treat common theives. The Tal maybe evil, but we could use some of their justice here for our "leaders" and CEO's.

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As Taliban nears Kabul, shadow gov't takes hold


Digg Facebook Newsvine del.icio.us Reddit StumbleUpon Technorati Yahoo! Bookmarks Print By JASON STRAZIUSO and AMIR SHAH, Associated Press Writers Jason Straziuso And Amir Shah, Associated Press Writers – 2 hrs 15 mins ago Play Video AFP – Afghan's troubled year

WARDAK PROVINCE, Afghanistan – Two months ago, Mohammad Anwar recalls, the Taliban paraded accused thieves through his village, tarred their faces with oil and threw them in jail.

The public punishment was a clear sign to villagers that the Taliban are now in charge. And the province they took over lies just 30 miles from the Afghan capital of Kabul, right on the main highway.

The Taliban has long operated its own shadow government in the most dangerous parts of Afghanistan, but its power is now spreading north to the doorstep of Kabul, according to Associated Press interviews with a dozen government officials, analysts, Taliban commanders and Afghan villagers. More than seven years after the U.S.-led invasion, the Islamic militia is attempting — at least in name — to reconstitute the government by which it ruled Afghanistan in the late 1990s.

Over the past year in Wardak province alone, Taliban fighters have taken over district centers, set up checkpoints on rural highways and captured Afghan soldiers. The Taliban in Wardak has its own governor and military chief, its own pseudo-court system and its own religious leaders who act as judges. Bands of armed militants in beat-up trucks cruise the countryside, dispensing their own justice against accused spies and thieves.

"After night falls, no police drive through here," the 20-year-old Anwar said, urging an AP journalist to return to Kabul before the militants drove into view.

Two miles down the road, a policeman named Fawad manned a checkpoint, wearing the traditional shalwar kameez robe so he could pretend to be a simple villager in case of a Taliban attack.

"There are more and more Taliban this year," said Fawad, who like many Afghans goes by only one name. "The people of the villages are not going to the government courts. The Taliban are warning them that no one can go there."

In a growing number of regions, insurgents have put in place:

• Militant commanders who serve as self-described governors and police or military chiefs of provinces.

• A 10 percent "tax" — a forced payment at gunpoint, Western officials say — on rich families, or donations by poorer families of food and shelter for fighters.

• A military draft that forces fighting-age males to join the Taliban for months-long rotations.

• A parallel judicial system run by religious scholars who impose such punishments as tarring, public humiliation and the chopping off hands.

• The closing of Afghan schools or the forcing of schools to replace science with more religious study.

• Manned Taliban or militant checkpoints to demand highway taxes and search vehicles for government employees or foreigners.

The increasing "Talibanization" is taking place in wide areas of countryside where the U.S., NATO and government of Hamid Karzai don't have enough troops for a permanent presence. Recognizing this, the U.S. plans to send its newest influx of troops in January into Wardak and Logar, right next to Kabul. Between 20,000 and 30,000 new American forces are scheduled to arrive by the summer.

Some Western officials argue that the rise of a shadow government is nothing more than the return of different emboldened warlords. They suspect militants simply stepped in where they saw a void in areas not reached by the Karzai's government, and it is still not clear if they have a coherent strategy. U.S. Gen. David McKiernan, the top NATO commander in Afghanistan, has noted deep fault lines between Afghan insurgent groups.

McKiernan said the Taliban is trying not to govern but to intimidate.

In some cases they do try to have shadow governors or court systems, McKiernan said, "but they certainly do not bring with them any incentives to a community, any socio-economic programs, any perks, if you will..."

It's not clear just how far the shadow government goes. Taliban officials and analysts boast that there are now Taliban shadow governors in almost every Afghan province.

"Three years ago the Taliban had no control in Afghanistan. They were spread too thin. Now they have power. They have soldiers. They have governors, district chiefs and judges. It is a very big difference from what you saw in 2003 or even 2005," said Abdul Salam Zaeef, the Taliban's former ambassador to Pakistan.

The Afghanistan NGO Safety Office, which provides safety information to aid organizations operating in the country, said that by a conservative estimate, anti-government militants operate in more than 35 percent of the country, and that the number is growing.

In 2007 militants attacked foreign troops only in small formations, worried that bombing runs by fighter aircraft would result in huge battlefield losses. But over the last year, that has changed.

Recently, some 300 militants massed for an attack in the Bala Murghab district of Badghis province. About 250 insurgents took part in an attack on a government center in Paktika province in late November. And earlier this year some 200 militants attacked a small U.S. outpost in the east and killed nine soldiers.

An hour's drive south of Kabul in Logar, the Taliban took over the district of Baraki Barak just before the start of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan in September. They rented shops and armed men wandered the streets, residents say.

They ordered barbers with TV sets to throw them away and kicked the satellite dishes on some houses to the ground.

After Friday prayers on the 25th day of Ramadan, Taliban fighters announced they were going to implement sharia law by their conservative and punitive reading of Islam. They warned that anyone working for the government would be considered a spy and killed.

"Everyone with links to the government fled the area," said a shopkeeper in Baraki Barak who spoke only on condition he wasn't identified for fear of the Taliban. "The people are very afraid of the Taliban, but if anyone shows any kind of reaction, the Taliban will mark that man and say, 'You are a spy of the foreigners and infidels.'"

In Helmand province, perhaps Afghanistan's most militant-infested region, Mullah Mohammad Qassim was appointed as the Taliban police chief last spring. Qassim said each of Helmand's 14 districts has a Taliban government leader and police chief, and courts across the province implement strict Islamic or sharia law.

The Taliban in Helmand have no relations with Karzai's government, he said. "We are more powerful than them. Even most of the capital of Helmand is under our control."

Every week Taliban judges hold court after Friday prayers, said tribal elder Mohammad Aslam from the district of Sangin. In the Kajaki area of Helmand, the site of a large U.S.-funded dam project, militants tax houses with electricity, he said. Trucks using the highways are also taxed.

Aslam estimates that 90 percent of people in Helmand side with the Taliban. Echoing a common complaint of Afghans across the country, Mohammad Aslam labeled the Afghan government "corrupt."

"No one can trust them," he said of government officials. "Whenever we have a problem, we go to the Taliban and the Taliban court."
 

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Yes indeed, the Taliban are an inspiration to humanity, wonderful people, fully possessed with a sense of justice, honor, and respect for humanity and people of all races, creeds, and religions. Here are women the Taliban helped; they probably offended the Taliban by getting raped, probably by the Taliban:


 

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Yes indeed, the Taliban are an inspiration to humanity, wonderful people, fully possessed with a sense of justice, honor, and respect for humanity and people of all races, creeds, and religions. Here are women the Taliban helped; they probably offended the Taliban by getting raped, probably by the Taliban:



I think it is so cute how you always seem to let your ability to post pictures to get your point across make up for your deficiency in the English language Hambone.

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I think it is so cute how you always seem to let your ability to post pictures to get your point across make up for your deficiency in the English language Hambone.

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:D Why explain how radical Islam is the enemy of the free world and civilized humanity and executes women for daring to be raped or engage in extramarital relations, when they record their conduct with pictures and video?

You're like an emotionally disturbed and stupid Matt Drudge, except in dire need of alot more attention :rolleyes:
 

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:D Why explain how radical Islam is the enemy of the free world and civilized humanity and executes women for daring to be raped or engage in extramarital relations, when they record their conduct with pictures and video?

You're like an emotionally disturbed and stupid Matt Drudge, except in dire need of alot more attention :rolleyes:

Still treating "A LOT" like it is one word I see. Tell me, when you were being bused to public school, did you really dislike the private school kids? I mean when you sat in class with something like 60 kids in a class, did you realize then that you were getting an inferior education?
 

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"• A 10 percent "tax" — a forced payment at gunpoint, Western officials say — on rich families, or donations by poorer families of food and shelter for fighters."

I like the ten percent flat tax, our Congress has a thing or two to learn from the Taliban in regards to fiscal policy.
 

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Afghanistan has never been defeated by an occupying force in it's history, what is happening is merely a fulfillment of a reoccurring theme in Afghanistan that no foreign military cares to pay attention to. we put our boys through a meat grinder for nothing. we should have just picked off Bin Laden and finished them at Tora Bora instead of taking out the Taliban and forcing democracy on them.
 

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Exactly......We should've HIT'EM HARD and GOT OUT!!!......Now it's 8yrs later and we're Nation Building while our nation goes into a depression.
 

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"• A 10 percent "tax" — a forced payment at gunpoint, Western officials say — on rich families, or donations by poorer families of food and shelter for fighters."

I like the ten percent flat tax, our Congress has a thing or two to learn from the Taliban in regards to fiscal policy.
Careful Patriot, your failure to support our nation's 50%+ tax-burden, depending upon which state you live in, my be considered "unpatriotic".

But yes, I do like the 10% flat-tax. I also wish some of the crooks in congress would get the tar-in-the-face treatment and jail. But we won't see that.
 

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Afghanistan has never been defeated by an occupying force in it's history, what is happening is merely a fulfillment of a reoccurring theme in Afghanistan that no foreign military cares to pay attention to. we put our boys through a meat grinder for nothing. we should have just picked off Bin Laden and finished them at Tora Bora instead of taking out the taliban and frocing democracy on them.
Tell me, have you ever while hiking found a hornet's nest on the ground and just out of curiousity kicked it as hard as you could?
 

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Still treating "A LOT" like it is one word I see. Tell me, when you were being bused to public school, did you really dislike the private school kids? I mean when you sat in class with something like 60 kids in a class, did you realize then that you were getting an inferior education?
LOL. You poor frustrated little fellow. :D
 

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I think it is so cute how you always seem to let your ability to post pictures to get your point across make up for your deficiency in the English language Hambone.

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From the mouth of the Gunboards Spelling Bee Champion. But I guess that's your "perogative". I'll bet your techniques with your "studnets" just "devistates" the other teachers. lol.
 

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Tell me, when you were being bused to public school, did you really dislike the private school kids? I mean when you sat in class with something like 60 kids in a class, did you realize then that you were getting an inferior education?
I knew it, you're a private school kid (accounts for the spelling. lol)! That's where you were taught that even though you've done nothing in your life, you're an expert, because your parents paid to keep you away from the realities of a "common" education. This is one of MB's mantras as well. I knew you two had more in common then you would let on.
 

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It's always fun yanking your chain Hambonehead.
Always from the safety of your couch, eh BR? That's your motto isn't it? Still waiting on those Israelis. I guess they don't take orders from you well, but they only have public school educations. lol.
 

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Ad hominem argument, BR, ....

is the mark of one who has nothing else to bolster his position. You and a few others seem to revel in such methods. I may have misjudged. Gadfly? No, a common housefly.
 

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I knew it, you're a private school kid (accounts for the spelling. lol)! That's where you were taught that even though you've done nothing in your life, you're an expert, because your parents paid to keep you away from the realities of a "common" education. This is one of MB's mantras as well. I knew you two had more in common then you would let on.
Ha ha! Amtraker. I knew you would show up.

Yep, Catholic school, all the way. And thankfully I had a superior education. I credit it from saving me from your fate: Not being able to get meaningful employment in my own land.

So your contract is up in the Spring and then you're off to Kabul? Ouch! Good luck with that.
 

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Always from the safety of your couch, eh BR? That's your motto isn't it? Still waiting on those Israelis. I guess they don't take orders from you well, but they only have public school educations. lol.
So you're going to go from Baghdad to Kabul, yes? Talk about out of the frying-pan and into the fire!

Yep, the Israelies, and the US let me down. Oh well, I guess they'd prefer Iran to initiate the first strike with one of their nukes.
 

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Ha ha! Amtraker. I knew you would show up.

Yep, Catholic school, all the way. And thankfully I had a superior education. I credit it from saving me from your fate: Not being able to get meaningful employment in my own land.

So your contract is up in the Spring and then you're off to Kabul? Ouch! Good luck with that.
Um, where did I say that I was going back to Kabul? And if I was, you'd still be on your couch, and on the doctor's prescriptions. You really have an active imagination. Now, for the record, last week you were saying that you worked your way through college, but here you have the silver spoon in your mouth. Care to clarify? BTW, where did you go to graduate school? I know where I did. lol.
 
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