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I have a Springfield Armory .45 GAP tactical and it's never occurred to me to carry it. Too big with that 5" barrel plus I'm not fond of carrying a striker fired pistol (though an SA's grip safety makes it safer than a Glock which I also despise). Matter of fact, I don't think I've even shot it in 5 years.


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yes i hate glocks,
( no hammer, no mass)
BUT
there are three gaps,
a full size 5"..yes too big for carry
a mid 4" (38)
and a compact.
8 plus 1, for the mid
run the same velocity as a 5"
the small increase in kick is really minor.
i carry now more than i ever did in the past
confident and comfortable
 

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I have fired, but do not own a .45 GAP. I liked the gun and caliber and thought it way above my 9mm Glock M19 for work in the Projects as a federal LEO. I did carry my M1911 in addition to my duty M19, but never advertised the fact of M1911 carry to the bosses way uptown in their ivory tower offices.

The .45 Gap is a very good round.

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The simple fact that you can't use .45ACP dies to reload GAP makes it completely useless to me and most Non-Agency shooter. If it were intended to be popular in commercial/non-agency sales, Speer/Glock could'a easily flooded the market with cheap ammo or made it attractive for retail sale ... but they didn't.
 

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Carry 45 acp....just real world easy ness ...for ammo...
Though about one in the day...never got into it and 40 cals.
Too much of an old school old timer?
 

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SOME ACP DIES DO WORK FOR gap
SOME AGENCIES STILL ISSUE CARRY GAP.( IT IS WHERE I GET MY BRASS)
there is no excuse for the current cost of ammo 33-35 bucks a box of 50!
speer did flood the market in the early days.
the fatal flaw was GLOCK using only 17/18kpsi as std op pressure. it made the gun less than a 9mm/40 .
speer said to shoot plus p which gave it full 45 acp values.

The simple fact that you can't use .45ACP dies to reload GAP makes it completely useless to me and most Non-Agency shooter. If it were intended to be popular in commercial/non-agency sales, Speer/Glock could'a easily flooded the market with cheap ammo or made it attractive for retail sale ... but they didn't.
 

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sorry that is just not practical, and i like officers model even less.
i have no issue with ammo.load my own.
like i said the advantage is smaller grip, full acp values.
i would perfer a exposed hammer.

Carry 45 acp....just real world easy ness ...for ammo...
Though about one in the day...never got into it and 40 cals.
Too much of an old school old timer?
 

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the fatal flaw was GLOCK using only 17/18kpsi as std op pressure. it made the gun less than a 9mm/40 .
speer said to shoot plus p which gave it full 45 acp values.
Absolute bull-puckey.
You proclaim to use it, adore it, yet you either don't know it or lie about it.

The .45 Auto is loaded to MAP of 21kpsi, has been since it's creation.
.45 GAP is specified, has always been specified, to load at 23kpsi, the same as .45 Auto +P
Show me where Glock OR Speer actually SPECIFIED it to be loaded to .38 Special pressures.
Speer's tech-brief states 23kpsi, when and where did Glock specify 17/18?

9mmPara and .40 S&W incidentally are loaded to 35,000psi, nowhere even within a comparable ballpark.


For others who are unfamiliar and want some facts on the cartridge:
http://www.speer-bullets.com/pdf/45GAP Tech Brief_150dpi.pdf

The real "failure" of .45 GAP was in once again being a 'solution' to a problem that never really existed.
A lot like .357 Sig.
 

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once again you have proven yourself.

the cip std for 45 gap is 18855PSI/1300 bar.
that is the european standard for the european GLOCK CARTRIDGE 45 GAP.
http://www.cip-bobp.org/homologation/uploads/tdcc/tab-iv/45-gap-en.pdfP




the 23000 psi is a plus p gap AS reccomended by speer...BECAUSE THEY RECOGNIZED GLOCKS ERROR.
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To achieve this parity, the 45 G.A.P. is loaded to the same maxi-
mum average pressure as 45 Auto +P— 23,000 psi.

SPEER CLEAR STATED THE 23000 IS PLUS P.
THIS IS FOR SPEER AMMO..THIS IS THEIR TAKE ON GLOCKS
LOW PRESSURE DECISION
 

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I guess the Gap is in my thinking....stopped reloading 9 years ago now many health reasons of wife.
Then I my self getting older ...
.just now time is more precious....mistakes more than less...
Ammo piles in the "bunker basement" won't be shot by me in a lifetime that's left.
To the youth I tip my hat....!
to the criminal tip my 45 acp..!
wether he approves or disapproves.....
Has got to do with both cals.
"Shot placement" more than volicies!
><> Dan
 

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once again you have proven yourself.

the cip std for 45 gap is 18855PSI/1300 bar.
that is the european standard for the european GLOCK CARTRIDGE 45 GAP.
http://www.cip-bobp.org/homologation.../45-gap-en.pdfP
Very good.

Now account for the fact that CIP measures that pressure in a different way and at a different case location than we do here stateside............

What does the number turn up to be after 'adjustment' for that?
 

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OPPPS not good for your version.
lets start with 45 acp:
cip is 18855 psi/1300 bar
saami is 21000 psi/1448 bar
now when we go to 45 gap....nearly identical cartridges....
cip is 18855/1300 bar...bingo the same press as std 45 acp
sammi is 23000/1586 bar..wow...all the sudden an big unexplained mis-match

why is 18855 cip refered to 21000 saami
and the next time
18855 cip is 23000....
makes no sense, unless one reads the speer notes.
the 23000 is a plus p in 45acp, which has a std of 21000...
so maybe 21000 is std and 23000 is actually plus p in gap.
if not then 45gap is open to a plus p on the 23000 number....that would be
24900 psi.....in the gap...a handful for sure.

Very good.

Now account for the fact that CIP measures that pressure in a different way and at a different case location than we do here stateside............

What does the number turn up to be after 'adjustment' for that?
 
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