Andrea
Posted - 06/12/2007 : 09:09:21 AM
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Hello,
I'm an italian collector of militaria, but not guns.
Recently I have buy a lot of militaria and I have found this rare bandolier for Bodeo using in the WW1.
I hope that for you collectors are interesting.
Sorry for my english.
Andrea
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DocAV
Posted - 06/13/2007 : 12:41:05 AM
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Dear Andrea, thye Bandoleer is not for Bodeo revolver cartridges, but for Vetterli M1870 carbine ammo. As the vetterli carbine was never converted to the Vitali System (4 round magazine) except for a small "partita" (500 pieces) for the Fondo Eritreo in 1888, the Carbine was still a single shot firearm, and so could be loaded from a bandoleer set up as you have there.
During WW I, Vetterli carbines and TS rifles were issued to Carabinieri in the rear echelons, for Police duties, releasing a large number of M91 Carbines for Front-line use, where they were ideal for trench raiding etc.
The Single-shot M70 Vetterli carbines were also given to Imperial Russia (1916-17) and used in the Colonies of Libia, (Cirenaica & Tripolitania) Eritrea and Somalia, and then in 1936, Abyssinia.
The Bandoleer is possibly late WW I or interwar years, being of the coloured leather type (Grigio-Verde).
A Bodeo M1889 Revolver Holster was attached to the metal "ring" by its two hanger leather straps.
An interesting find, after a recent display of the several Beretta M1934 Tank crew bandoleer (three Pockets for 3x 7-round packets of Cartuccia Mo.934 cal.9 ( "9mm Corto"))found NEW in Europe recently.
I can't remember when the Grigio Verde became the standard colour for Uniforms and leather, but it seems just before WW I ( the early 1900s was black or dark brown leather); suffice to say that the first months of Italy's entry into WW I (May 1915) there were still in use the earlier Dark blue jackets and the tan coloured trousers amongst certain units, until stocks of the older equipment ran out and new GV equipment was issued.
E se il suo inglese manca un po,non c'e' di che, abbiamo capito tutto. Scrivete pure in italiano, ci siamo abbastanza di numero per capire e traduire il messaggio.
Saluti, e Grazie per la vista del pezzo interessante,
il Ballistico Piemontese al estero.
(Doc AV)
AV Ballistics.
Andrea
Posted - 06/13/2007 : 02:29:46 AM
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A lot interesting, but this belonged to an artilleryman during the WW1. Soon I must have the photos.
Many persons in Italy, have said that draft to me of the bandoleer for bodeo.
Molto interessante, ma questa apparteneva ad un artigliere durante la WW1.
Molte persone in Italia, mi hanno detto che si tratta della bandoliera per bodeo.
Presto dovrei avere le foto, inoltre mi sembra di ricordare che la colorazione delle buffetterie in GV(grey-green) è avvenuta dal 1916.
DocAV
Posted - 06/14/2007 : 12:55:46 AM
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The fact that it was used by a WW I Artilleryman fits in with the issue of Vetterli carbines, or Vetterli-Vitali Moschetto TS; Artillery being a "rear echelon" type of unit, didn't need the front line carbine normally used.(unless they were Artiglieria Alpina, with their frontline small guns (65mm pieces in WW I, and 75mm Skodas in WW II)
And Artillerymen were usually issued with Bodeos, both in WW I and WW II.
Grazie per la chiarificazione al riguardo dell'appartenenza della bandoliera...molte unita' d'artiglieria (especialmente quelle campale), erano dotati di moschetti Vetterli,a colpo singolo; e per la pistola del capo pezzi, anche la Bodeo. La fondina era attaccato all'anello della bandoliera.
Andrea
Posted - 06/14/2007 : 03:10:22 AM
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Thanks to you for the precious information!
Grazie a te per le preziose informazioni!
alb87
Italy
Posted - 06/14/2007 : 12:13:29 PM
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This Bandoleer was made for the Bodeo revolver cartridges, not for the Vetterli M1870 carbine ammo.
I have the same type of bandoleer in my collection, and it didn't fit the Vetterli m1870 cases( that are larger than the Bodeo cases).
In the past I've always found this kind of Bandoleer as "Bodeo bandoleer" desination.
Warmest regards.
.
Posted - 06/12/2007 : 09:09:21 AM
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Hello,
I'm an italian collector of militaria, but not guns.
Recently I have buy a lot of militaria and I have found this rare bandolier for Bodeo using in the WW1.
I hope that for you collectors are interesting.
Sorry for my english.
Andrea
http://old.gunboards.com/uploaded/andrea/20076129236_bandoliera bodeo ww1.JPG
Download Attachment:
156.27 KB
DocAV
Posted - 06/13/2007 : 12:41:05 AM
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Dear Andrea, thye Bandoleer is not for Bodeo revolver cartridges, but for Vetterli M1870 carbine ammo. As the vetterli carbine was never converted to the Vitali System (4 round magazine) except for a small "partita" (500 pieces) for the Fondo Eritreo in 1888, the Carbine was still a single shot firearm, and so could be loaded from a bandoleer set up as you have there.
During WW I, Vetterli carbines and TS rifles were issued to Carabinieri in the rear echelons, for Police duties, releasing a large number of M91 Carbines for Front-line use, where they were ideal for trench raiding etc.
The Single-shot M70 Vetterli carbines were also given to Imperial Russia (1916-17) and used in the Colonies of Libia, (Cirenaica & Tripolitania) Eritrea and Somalia, and then in 1936, Abyssinia.
The Bandoleer is possibly late WW I or interwar years, being of the coloured leather type (Grigio-Verde).
A Bodeo M1889 Revolver Holster was attached to the metal "ring" by its two hanger leather straps.
An interesting find, after a recent display of the several Beretta M1934 Tank crew bandoleer (three Pockets for 3x 7-round packets of Cartuccia Mo.934 cal.9 ( "9mm Corto"))found NEW in Europe recently.
I can't remember when the Grigio Verde became the standard colour for Uniforms and leather, but it seems just before WW I ( the early 1900s was black or dark brown leather); suffice to say that the first months of Italy's entry into WW I (May 1915) there were still in use the earlier Dark blue jackets and the tan coloured trousers amongst certain units, until stocks of the older equipment ran out and new GV equipment was issued.
E se il suo inglese manca un po,non c'e' di che, abbiamo capito tutto. Scrivete pure in italiano, ci siamo abbastanza di numero per capire e traduire il messaggio.
Saluti, e Grazie per la vista del pezzo interessante,
il Ballistico Piemontese al estero.
(Doc AV)
AV Ballistics.
Andrea
Posted - 06/13/2007 : 02:29:46 AM
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A lot interesting, but this belonged to an artilleryman during the WW1. Soon I must have the photos.
Many persons in Italy, have said that draft to me of the bandoleer for bodeo.
Molto interessante, ma questa apparteneva ad un artigliere durante la WW1.
Molte persone in Italia, mi hanno detto che si tratta della bandoliera per bodeo.
Presto dovrei avere le foto, inoltre mi sembra di ricordare che la colorazione delle buffetterie in GV(grey-green) è avvenuta dal 1916.
DocAV
Posted - 06/14/2007 : 12:55:46 AM
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The fact that it was used by a WW I Artilleryman fits in with the issue of Vetterli carbines, or Vetterli-Vitali Moschetto TS; Artillery being a "rear echelon" type of unit, didn't need the front line carbine normally used.(unless they were Artiglieria Alpina, with their frontline small guns (65mm pieces in WW I, and 75mm Skodas in WW II)
And Artillerymen were usually issued with Bodeos, both in WW I and WW II.
Grazie per la chiarificazione al riguardo dell'appartenenza della bandoliera...molte unita' d'artiglieria (especialmente quelle campale), erano dotati di moschetti Vetterli,a colpo singolo; e per la pistola del capo pezzi, anche la Bodeo. La fondina era attaccato all'anello della bandoliera.
Andrea
Posted - 06/14/2007 : 03:10:22 AM
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Thanks to you for the precious information!
Grazie a te per le preziose informazioni!
alb87
Italy
Posted - 06/14/2007 : 12:13:29 PM
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This Bandoleer was made for the Bodeo revolver cartridges, not for the Vetterli M1870 carbine ammo.
I have the same type of bandoleer in my collection, and it didn't fit the Vetterli m1870 cases( that are larger than the Bodeo cases).
In the past I've always found this kind of Bandoleer as "Bodeo bandoleer" desination.
Warmest regards.
.
