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Wow!...holy cow
 

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:eek: That's a typo and will be relisted, I am sure. :eek: :confused: :eek:

(Poor buyer, GB makes it impossible to re-nig/retract on a typo bid without the help of the seller. I know 'cause I screwed up once and added a 0 to a bid to try to get some action on a listing for another member. Meant to bid low, but the extra 0 took me way over. Thank God the seller was a member of GBs and a good, understanding man. ;))

(Seller, You know who you are and I am still shaking at what I might have paid for the item...;)..thanks for being a gentleman and fixing that.)
 

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It was really an usual treat to see how the big boys go for something. I am impressed. But I don't think it was a typo...

Date / Time Amount Bidder User Name
9/17/2007 12:53:46 PM EST $20,025.00 BPatrone A+(35)
9/17/2007 3:21:15 PM EST $20,000.00 4jsdad A+(2)
9/17/2007 3:20:41 PM EST $19,500.00 4jsdad A+(2)
9/17/2007 3:20:15 PM EST $19,050.00 4jsdad A+(2)
9/17/2007 1:08:59 PM EST $19,000.00 4jsdad A+(2)
9/17/2007 11:45:41 AM EST $18,000.00 4jsdad A+(2)
9/17/2007 11:42:08 AM EST $17,500.00 BPatrone A+(35)
9/17/2007 11:45:16 AM EST $17,000.00 4jsdad A+(2)
9/17/2007 11:38:42 AM EST $15,000.00 4jsdad A+(2)
9/17/2007 11:23:10 AM EST $11,250.00 BPatrone A+(35)
9/17/2007 11:37:41 AM EST $10,000.00 4jsdad A+(2)
9/17/2007 11:35:34 AM EST $9,000.00 4jsdad A+(2)
9/17/2007 10:58:07 AM EST $8,500.00 BPatrone A+(35)
9/17/2007 10:49:34 AM EST $6,000.00 4jsdad A+(2)
9/15/2007 7:44:01 PM EST $5,500.00 BPatrone A+(35)
9/17/2007 10:48:44 AM EST $5,000.00 4jsdad A+(2)
9/16/2007 9:33:18 PM EST $4,000.00 k2r NR
9/16/2007 9:29:18 PM EST $3,600.00 duc996 A+(2)
9/16/2007 9:28:18 PM EST $3,000.00 duc996 A+(2)
9/16/2007 9:27:49 PM EST $2,000.00 duc996 A+(2)
9/16/2007 6:37:57 PM EST $855.00 swp45 A+(33)
9/15/2007 8:18:52 PM EST $823.00 embill A+(2)
9/15/2007 7:20:53 PM EST $750.00 BPatrone A+(35)
9/15/2007 8:18:08 PM EST $690.00 embill A+(2)
9/15/2007 8:17:38 PM EST $575.00 embill A+(2)
9/15/2007 8:17:11 PM EST $427.50 embill A+(2)
9/14/2007 12:58:30 AM EST $300.00 BeneathTheSky13 A+(18)
 

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What am I missing here?


Very late model k98 rifle. Bolt and receiver barrel matches. Clear nice bore. 8mm caliber. Metal parts untouched in original condition. Stock is sporterized. Great example of a late model stamp and late style bolt. FFL or C&R needed to trasfer gun $30 for shipping
[Information added 09/15/2007 10:53:07 AM]Rifle has no import mark and top of receiver has a stamp swjXE stamp. It is not russian capture rifle. Buttplate has no numbers.Floorplate is a mismach.
[Information added 09/15/2007 11:36:38 PM]Additional infromation: The trigger guard is stamped svw and floorplate has the stamp byf. No numbers. Magazine follower is stamp lxr. All late style stamped trigger guard and single screw set. I will post pictures tomorrow.
[Information added 09/18/2007 8:34:49 PM]A letter from a helpful collector: I'm sure you puzzled by now as to why your swjXE marked rifle is getting out of hand- the final Steyr code (unknown at the time BBOTW was written) was swj XE,- they are very rare.

This kind of price cannot be on a code rarity, can it???
 

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Very obscure maker code. I've never seen one like that before.
 

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Not to me, but apparently it is to someone.
 

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I have watched a few auctions that have sold some high end stuff - Obscure Luger's, etc - Some folks do indeed have deep pockets....

Pahtu.
 

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Just imagine what it might have gone for had the stock NOT been sporterized!!!

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ummm... wow. Probably a record for a sporterized K98 there; all because of different stamps on the receiver.
 

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ummm... wow. Probably a record for a sporterized K98 there; all because of different stamps on the receiver.


"because of different stamps on the receiver"

Is'nt this true with "most" obscure military weapons???.....
Well a 91/30 is a 91/30 correct???---NOT!
You can collect unlimited variation of just this gun!
I think we all suffer a great deal from these little markings---Mosins, Mauser, etc.


It does not suprise me in the least on this gun. This is right as rain as far as what is there---and bets are the stock and handguard where NOT numbered or marked this late in the game for k98 production.

A previous poster was correct that this is a highly significant weapon for K98 collectors. Most all of the swjxe marked guns found are French made after the war WITHOUT any German inspection stamps--this one definately has German heritage.

If you will notice also, the MOD.98 and the swjxe marking where definately done with a different stamping process--I could go on and on.....


I would guess that even IF the gun had it's complete stock/handguard, the ending price will have been about the same---When you get into this caliber of weapon, it just does not matter that much. A blank late war stock/handguard can be found and are out there for the right price to complete this gun.

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In a parallel example, imagine what a SAT marked M91 would go for... sporterized or not. Same with a Sako Rhiimaki(sp) M28-30
 

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Money for Marks

My point was that to someone outside the hobby, this looks rather silly. I understand the rarity... but don't see it remotely appropriate for the money. To me, there is much more value in a gun that was produced in quantities of less than 100 or only a few thousand (VKT M27s, Straight barreled Sig 91/24s, Japanese Naval Special 99s) by a certain maker. The producer of this K98 made hundreds of thousands and all we are talking about is a code change for factory ID that happened late in the war. OK... SAME as any other rifle within the last 100 or so known SN rang from ANY maker. Whoopie. A small premium, but not an over the top OMG!! to most folks. In rairty This is little different than a Poulislaitos marking (a $150 premium) and certainly not worth 20x the going K98 rate in my opinon (and that's all it is... my opinion).
 

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In some firearms collector areas that price is relatively small. I have seen firearms in private collections that would easily surpass 20K. When exceptional condition (not this example) and provenance is added to a firearm of already high desirability, the price has exceeded $1,000,000. To collectors in that category of wealth 20 K is a drop in the bucket.

Ted what would you estimate the value of the original, unmodified excellent condition Sestroyesk rifle shown in another post on this forum?

It would certainly be many times the value of an example in the normal condition we see available.

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It's impossible to say with certainty, but I don't think it would hit $20,000, or even $10,000, although I might insure it for that. Mosin collectors as a group just don't spend that kind of money. For the most part we (definitely including me) began collecting Mosins because they were affordably priced. While there are a few of us (definitely not including me) with deep pockets there aren't enough of them to really drive the prices into the stratosphere. In other words, there's limited supply of rifles like that Sestroryetsk, but there's also a limited demand once it reaches a certain price. I can't recall any Mosin ever selling for over $3,000 and have seen some pretty rare ones languish at that price. Unless a collector is independently wealthy he has to consider getting his money back out of something and when there are only a few people that will spend that much it generally causes a person to back off on what they're willing to spend. The independently wealthy types just don't have an interest in Mosins as they still have something of a reputation as a "poor man's rifle" or "commie junk" although this is changing. If Mosins start breaking the $5,000 or $10,000 barrier in a few years I will maintain that it is due primarily to general inflation and only partially to a true appreciation of their worth.
 

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I seem to recall a known faker posting items on both epay and the gun auctions from Eagle, Idaho. The seller's name doesn't send up a red flag, but the location sure does. IIRC, forum member Marcus keeps track of this vermin scum (the faker, not necessarily this particular seller.)

If this guy is the low-life amoeba con artist forger, then 1 of 2 things happened. He's conned someone, or else a couple of folks who know what he is are having fun with him.

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Hope it's not a con job...

But the markings look legit, otherwise it's a very good fake.

Still, like someone mentioned above, there are many collectors who really don't blink at dropping that kind of cash on a piece. He's probably a successful guy who can merely write a check out of money market fund. He probably has more in his checking account than I make in a year, and for him the satisfaction of adding a very hard-to-find piece to what is probably a superb K98 collection is worth it.

On the other hand, if it is all legit, I'll bet that seller soiled himself when it was all over!
 
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