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I have a chance to buy ten boxes of Czechoslovakian produced 9m/m @ $7.00 box.

Most of it was manufactred in 1949,1950,1951. Some of it goes back to 1944.

Headstamps are:

1. ndn 44

2. 10 50 w/star & circle with a pointed arrow. Sometimes on some of cartidges there is additional line type mark.

3.PS 49 with star.

What is this stuff? Is it safe to shoot?? Collectable ammo?? I posted a photo of one of the boxes.
 

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Should be safe. Storage may not have been optimum, which would translate to "click...bang" or just "Click". Primers would be Berdan and corrosive.
 

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My concern is that it might be over powered subgun ammo. Any way to tell other then shooting it??
It is sub-gun ammo. Back in the mid '80s I purchased a lot of this ammo (from Paragon if I'm not mistaken). Shot some in a Browning Hi-Power and it was noticeably "hot" compared to other surplus 9mm and it much, much louder and snappier than 9mm commercial ammo. It all went bang.
 

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"over powered subgun ammo"

Not really. This stuff is possibly all post-war (yes, even the ndn 44) Czech export ammo made for both pistol and SMG use, they did not differentiate between the two uses. Lots of this stuff came out of both Israeli and Egyptian surplus. European pistol ammo is generally loaded hotter than US fodder, but it is not "over powered" or meant exclusively for SMGs.
 

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A newer collector might need it, but it's not too valuable. It's scarce enough that you might want to save it, if you ever meet with a bunch of ammo collectors.
 

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Darned good ammo! I bought a lot of it when it was available and shot most of it in my MAC 10 and MP 40. Also some in my Browning HP.
I still have a couple of boxes that I put away.
That is a very good price. If I had any to sell it would be at least $10 a box.
If it's been properly stored you should not have a problem with it.
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Interarms repacked a lot of ammo from various sources, and some of it came from Israel and Egypt, but a Lot of "Czech" made ammo came direct from "Omnipol", the CSSR Gov't Export Agency...that's how Sam got stuff for the CIA etc.

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Like most Communist Governments, Czechoslovakia had "export" Companies which handled foreign trade in all sorts of commodities. These were not "private" concerns as we understand them, but Government run agencies. ( ie, in Czech terms, a Narodny Podnik...a people's enterprise.)

Omnipol was the agency dealing with Small arms and ordnance exports...the Czechs, despite their allegiance to the Warsaw pact, engaged in fierce competition with Western Suppliers to get foreign exchange for Guns and ammo , especially in Third World Countries, but also sold Very good quality Sporting Arms into First World Countries. Sam Cummings of Interarms dealt directly with them to (a) Supply US customers the quality Sporting Firearms, and (b) to source East Block firearms and ammo to supply the myriad of Military Customers IA had throughout the world. IA also brokered deals with Omnipol to acquire Military Surplus from third countries, so that the Milsurp could be then sold thru IA's US etc. Distributors.
Omnipol was especially useful when sourcing Soviet Bloc Ammunition ( ie, 7,62x54R, 7,62x39, 7,62x25 etc.) both for onward Military sale, and for US Milsurp sales.

Many of the IA-Omnipol deals were also "supervised" by the "Company" ( CIA) as they may have been Politically and Strategically sensitive; it is known from SC's Evidence at Senate hearings in the late 1960s, that the CIA often bought Firearms and Ammunition from IA, especially if it wanted "Plausible deniability" as to source of the guns and ammo. IA in turn would sometimes take back or exchange items the CIA had accumulated from other sources over time...case in Point, the Canadian 7,9 and 9mm Ammo with the "MM" headstamp, acquired at the early 1960s.

CSSR : Czechoslovak Soviet Socialist Republic 1948-1990 ( in Czech it reads almost the same).

I don't know whether Omnipol has survived the Fall of Communism in Cz...I think, probably under another name, but as the individual Gun and Ammo makers in Cz also "Privatised" in 1990-91, they handle all their export trade by themselves ( and have even been taken over by Foreign Corporations -- S&B is now part of Magtech Brazil). If Omnipol still exists, it is a general "Import-export company" dealing in a variety of goods.

Interesting period to study...the Cold War.

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I have a post war Walther P1 that I had fired several hundred rounds of Remington,UMC 9m/m through.

I fired four rounds of the Czech. 9m/m discussed in this thread. On shot number four the slide cover blew off taking the rear sight. The extractor as well as the extrator plunger blew out also.

Years ago I had fired a couple hundred rounds of the Czech. 9m/m through a WWII P.38 with no issues.

The P1 I have has the renforced lug and the heavy beefed up slide to fire hotter NATO ammo.

I don't know if the Czech. ammo caused the issue or not???
 

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I started out dealing with Omnipol in Praha, but when the country split up I was also going to Brataslavia to deal with Invipol.
As of the middle of 95 both Omnipol and Invipol(Slovakia) were still conductin beat around the bush business. I was trying to buy OT810 half tracks, SU 76 & 85s and T 34s from them. I finaly gave up and quit trying to get anything out of them. It was like dealing with a little kid who had to go ask momma before he could do anything, including asnswer simple questions.
I did get to tour several storage/maintnance facilities and several free meals in both countries, but that was it.
I still have my correspondence files from both.
Sarge
 
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