There were a bunch of people selling these at the last Gun Show I went to. No paperwork required, cash & carry. Apparently legal to sell them, but is it actually legal to finish the machine work (supposedly some drilling required) to make a functional lower receiver? I don't know how much they were, but presumably less than $100.
80% AR Lower Receivers?
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I wonder how long those will be legal, considering the ATF raid on the people making them. ATF might be making a middle of the road rule change there.
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I agree with stony....I don't think that these will last long.
I realize that one can legally make these into a 100% functioning receiver as long as all the ATF guidleines are followed.
I was set up at as how recently. There was more than one vendor selling 80% receivers along with jigs but no instructions. I asked about the technical data and was told that they couldn't offer it but had a link on thier web site for specs and drill and mill sizes.
I know that both vendors did very well in sales...one of the guys set up next to me bought a jig and receiver...."you know...just in case...."
Although legal....I'm steering clear.
I realize that one can legally make these into a 100% functioning receiver as long as all the ATF guidleines are followed.
I was set up at as how recently. There was more than one vendor selling 80% receivers along with jigs but no instructions. I asked about the technical data and was told that they couldn't offer it but had a link on thier web site for specs and drill and mill sizes.
I know that both vendors did very well in sales...one of the guys set up next to me bought a jig and receiver...."you know...just in case...."
Although legal....I'm steering clear.
I have three of the 80% receivers from two different manufacturers. I already have 3 AR,s built so not in a hurry to build another from the 80%. I also bought one drilling jig. I also got the bits and end mills with one of the receivers . Finishing instructions came with the receivers or can find many videos on You Tube.
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I kinda have to disagree with this. ATF's jurisdiction is firearms, not hunks of metal. If they want to tread down this path they will eventually have to regulate every machine shop, auto shop and tool store and personal garage and work shed in the country since making a rifle really own requires brains and tools.
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the raids by the ATF were because an employee was finishing the 80%'ers for customers without the proper checks/paperwork...no conspiracy.
80% receivers are perfectly legal to buy/sell...but then again, 7N6 used to be just "ball" ammo...and PPSH-41 trunions weren't considered "machine guns".
80% receivers are perfectly legal to buy/sell...but then again, 7N6 used to be just "ball" ammo...and PPSH-41 trunions weren't considered "machine guns".
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I would agree it applies more the doing it just because you can crowd more than anything, if you really a "just in case" lower go to a gunshow and buy one off an individual, the BATF wouldn't know you have it anymore than they would know you own a 80%.
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Easy to complete with a jig. Drill selector, trigger, and hammer holes. Then mill out fire pocket. You should get a diagram of depths and measurements. A bench top drill press is what I have used. Do not ever sell this lower once it is complete. T g at is the law.
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What the ATF was after were the poly 80%ers. The ones with the colored middle. Said the gun was finished then made back into a 80%. The companies said no but ATF did not listen. So far no action on the aluminum 80%.
Yes they are still available. They send me emails from ARES everyday. I actually ordered one yesterday evening from them. They were on sale for $69. I have other 80% lowers made of aluminum and decided to try a polymer one.
Yes they are the ones. They do come with a plastic type jig of one time use with the lower.
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You can sell it, it just has to be marked in certain ways, and SN I believe
As I understand it, the ATF didn't like the ones that had two different colors of polymer. Basically, you'd remove the one color and what was left was a finished lower. The ATF asserted that the "receiver" color was produced first, "then filled in" with the second color. Ares says that the plug (the inner color) was produced first, then built up into the 80% blank.
If the ATF is correct, the receiver is illegal. If Ares can prove the process, then maybe not.
For now, though, Ares is selling polymer 80% blanks again, but they are now a single "solid" color.
Personally, I'm not a fan of polymer lowers (it's a prejudice--nothing based on personal experience), but their polymer lower that comes with its own 1-use jig is really, really tempting.
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