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THE 7.62 X 39R K(estell) KADET

Here’s a nifty little cartridge you can play with.

1. Use either production .303 Savage brass or some reformed .303 Savage. (I used some
from Buffalo Arms).

2. Purchase a set of LEE PRECISION 7.62 X 39 dies and order a custom case length
trim gauge for a .308” bullet with a length of 1.516” and a #11 shell holder.

3. Trim the .303 Savage brass before resizing.

4. Use a little Imperial Sizing was and full length resize the above trimmed case.

5. Retrim if the case has grown beyond 1.516”.

6. At this point you should be able to just chamfer the inside/outside of the case mouth.
I found that I did NOT have to inside neck ream the case as it easily fits the chamber
cut with a stock 7.62 X 39 reamer. However, you need to make certain of this.

7. I had a rifle built on a Uberti High Wall with a heavy .308” barrel. I use either a
125gr .308” spire bullet or run a 123gr .310” through a LEE .307” resizing die
to give me .308” after a little springback.

8. I load this alittle lighter than my standard 7.62 X 39 . I did notice that I lost 2 out of
50 cases with neck splits. This tells me that I should probably consider annealing the
cases to avoid this problem.

I know there has always been a lot of interest in putting this cartridge in a Martini Cadet. I didn’t have a spare Cadet laying around at the time … but I may just have my good friend build me another 7.62 X 39R K(estell) KADET because now I do have a couple just waiting for a project. However, the High Wall shoots good enough to warrant a set of target sights for the coming season. Thank God for winter.

For what it’s worth, the rim on this neat, little cartridge is only .038” under that for the British .303! (.540” -vs- .502”) so it’s possible that this will feed, extract and eject from any .303 chambered firearm without modification to the magazine or bolt.

Happy Shooting

Bill Kestell
 

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Interesting cartridge! with the lower case capacity would make a dandy cast bullet ctg. making for a higher loading density. Would you be able to maybe use 30-30 brass as 303 savage is not easy to find and alot more costly.
 

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After careful consideration (and consultation with others) I have concluded that this cartridge is likely NOT suitable for the Martini Cadet. This is based, not on action strength, but on barrel shank diameter. The Cadet barrel shank is about 3/4" diameter and after chambering, there is just not enough metal left for safety ... so JUST DON'T DO IT!

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I don't believe that running a 30-30 into a 7.62 X 39 F.L. die is going to get you what you want. I don't think you can use this caliber die to push the shoulder back. (additionally, you will not be able to use an existing chamber reamer ... you will have to order a custom reamer ... and that's more costly.) You might be better off looking into using a .30 Herret, which is based on the .30-30 case shortened to 1.605". It's a nice little number and I shoot it regularly. Depending on where you are located, if you get reformed brass from Buffalo Arms, it's only $89/100 -vs- $29/100 for .30-30 (which won't work) or the .30 Herrett which is $79/100. I understand that if you're outside the US, this may be less practical. Still, if you live here, the cost isn't really out of line if you think of it this way. You are not going to be shooting this in an auto-loader where you are likely to lose your brass or have the rim chewed or the body or neck beaten up. You will likely be using this in a single shot or bolt action rifle and should be able to recover 100% of your cases. Further, unless you load to the maximum, do not exceed and beyond, you should have a case life that spans 5 to 10 reloadings ... or more! Hope this helps.
 

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Wildcats

Always interesting to make-up wildcat cartridges, my 8x38R is made from a 30-30 case and the 8.5x37R is made from a 303 case.

Back somewhere in the 1958-60 time period, Klein's in Chicago was selling the Martini 310 rifles that were rechambered to 32 Win Special. Another favorite was the 222 Rem with rim from Australia. I have used the 218 Bee in the Martini.
 

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SECOND!

I don't believe that running a 30-30 into a 7.62 X 39 F.L. die is going to get you what you want. I don't think you can use this caliber die to push the shoulder back. (additionally, you will not be able to use an existing chamber reamer ... you will have to order a custom reamer ... and that's more costly
Well I tried it I ran a well lubed 30-30 case into a Lee 7.62x39 FL sizer,Came out nice and pushed that shoulder right back. The the case head dia. was about .015 smaller though on the 30-30 ,close but no cigar. But it does look neat just like a mini 54R

Tim
 
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