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I have a VZ.24 with the following features:
Standard VZ.24 legend on the left side of receiver.
1939 marked on top of the receiver.
Serial BR6203 would indicate a Romanian contract, however there are no Romanian crest or acceptance marks, and the 1939 date is way too late for the early BR prefix.
The only other mark on this gun looks like a "spider" in front view, it could also be part of an eagle, like the Polish one.
Any ideas about the history of this VZ.24?

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It looks like the Romanian CM stamp to me. I would say the gun is a straight up Romanian contract rifle.
 

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Yep, the CM stamp is from the Copsa Mica weapons facility at Cugir in Romania
 

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It is not confirmed is from CM arsenal. Is only a romanian acceptance stamp.
 

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Here's a fourth vote that it is a Romanian CM marking - and 1939 is just right for a BR prefix serial number.

These are reported with a 1939 crest:
BR2420
BR3471
BR4755

And these are reported with a 1940 crest:
OR22768
RR4031
RR4058

http://rml1708.com/MyCzechWebpage/rumdata.htm
 

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Ok, I see it is a Romanian CM, but it is ugly, like it was handmade with a chisel. The CM mark I was familiar with looks like this:
CM-mark.jpg

What is the explanation for the early BR suffix on a late 1939 receiver?
 

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What is the explanation for the early BR suffix on a late 1939 receiver?
ZB took some export VZ24 recievers with a 1939 crest, made in 1939, and put them in the assembly line for the Romanian contract. They received 1939 serial numbers along with the rest of the rifles made in 1939. Most of the rifles had the King Carol crest.

I think your statement "the 1939 date is way too late for the early BR prefix" is inaccurate.
 

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ZB took some export VZ24 recievers with a 1939 crest, made in 1939, and put them in the assembly line for the Romanian contract. They received 1939 serial numbers along with the rest of the rifles made in 1939. Most of the rifles had the King Carol crest.

I think your statement "the 1939 date is way too late for the early BR prefix" is inaccurate.
Sorry, I am still confused. Which one of the following statements are incorrect (I am using the linked VZ24 database and Robert Ball's book:
- The Romanian contract serial prefixes started at AR, ended at YR (the latest reported).
- A-Y, 25 blocks of 25,000 each = 625,000 total. ----- Robert Ball claims 750,000, a discrepancy we can ignore for the purpose if this posting.
- According to Ball, the Romanian Contract started in the late 1920's, I assume at serial AR-1, under King Michael I.
- The Romanian Contract continued under King Carol II, 1930-1940.
- They reached AR4246 in 1939 - meaning that only a maximum of 4245 rifles were made prior to 1939??? Less than 400 rifles a year?
- Around the OR prefix they reached 1940. - meaning that 375,000 rifles were made in 1939, and 250,000(+) rifles were made in 1940?
- So over 99% of Romanian VZ.24's were made during 1939-40?
 

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Michael was king twice with Carol in between. My King Michael crest Romanian VZ24 is s/n TR13263, made after September 4, 1940. The few King Michael crested rifles were near the end of the contract. It is said that some at the very end had no crest at all.

700,000 is probably close to the total.

As best I can figure, all of the Romanian contract was made in 1938 or 1939 through 1940 or 1941 although I think there were possibly some earlier year crested export rifles thrown in. I have a 1937 year crest VZ24 without CM markings that I suspect was used by Romania.

1927 - On 20 July, King Ferdinand I dies and Mihai I, his grandson, becomes the third King of Romania after his father Carol renounced to his rights to the throne in two years earlier.

1930 - Carol II returns to Romania on 7 June and he is proclaimed King one day later, thus becoming the fourth King of Romania and the first born in Romania.

1940 - On 4 September, Horia Sima, leader of the Iron Guard, and Ion Antonescu, an Romanian Army General, Prime Minister of Romania at that date, form the "National Legionary State" in Romania, forcing the abdication of King Carol II. Mihai I becomes king for the second time two days later.
 
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