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Roamergrg,

I just (today) read your account from 9 months back and it is, for all intents and purposes, identical to an event I personally witnessed during a recent pistol match in October.

Shooter with a nice 1892 and Fiocchi factory ammunition getting four, possibly five bullets, stacked in the barrel. Fortunately, the shooter was not harmed, but the barrel of the 1892 did exhibit some slight bulging just behind the front sight. After both reading your account and having witnessed a separate identical incident, it would seem the ammunition is at fault.

Can you relay if there was any resolution? I would like to direct the shooter to pursue a similar course of action with Fiocchi if it has been addressed.

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Type 96 LMG
I recently purchased one dated 1898 in very nice condition. I also purchased 150 rounds of the fiocchi 8mm lebel ammo for the brass and to shoot some before my dies were delivered for me to reload for it. However, me and 3 others went to the range yesterday and I shot the first 6 rounds. No issues, next person same thing, third person, shoots and it seems like there is no recoil at all. I figured it was cause it’s such a light round and he’s a massive dude and me and the other person aren’t anywhere close to his size. After he shoots his 6 shots I take the revolver back to unload and notice the end of the barrel that meets the cylinder doesn’t have the same light shining in it like it did before. So I suspect something is wrong as I noticed his recoil was much less and low and behold, there is at least 4 squibs in the barrel. I am still trying to get them out (they won’t seem to budge). We feel extremely lucky that it didn’t blow up. But unfortunately I think it might have bulged the barrel as it increases from chamber to about an inch out by about .02” and then tapers back off towards the muzzle. I don’t know if it fully is a bulge but I guess I will take it to a gunsmith. I would love to be able to shoot it again as I’m terribly disappointed that I only got to shoot 6 rounds out of it. I also plan to reach out to fiocchi as well. If the barrel is bulged does anyone know if there is any way to fix it or if it could still be safe to shoot?
 

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Update: I took the revolver to a local gunsmith and he said that he might be able to get the squibs out but wouldn’t guarantee the condition it would be in afterwards and said that even if he could get them out, he personally wouldn’t shoot it again cause of the likelihood that the barrel is bulged. He said it would be a couple weeks before he would have a chance to even get to it if I decided to leave it with him.


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So that makes THREE confirmed cases of fiocchi causing squibs to the point of bulging the barrel on these 1892's.

It's especially tough since the recoil is already quite light on these guns, the bullet has the same power as a 32 SW long, while the gun weighs 2 lbs, which makes detecting a squib harder for inexperienced shooters.

Honestly the mods should sticky this thread as a warning for people considering buying fiocchi 8mm lebel. Seems like the best use for that ammo at this point is to pull the bullets for the brass.
To fiocchis credit, their customer service has been very responsive and helpful. Once this is resolved I will post more about it.


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I picked up one of these pistols and 200 round of Fiocchi this summer but never got around to shooting it. Many thanks for the post. You most likely saved my gun, fingers and eyesight.
I would definitely slug your barrel and pull one of the bullets and compare as well. And shoot it at steel or close paper to make sure they come out.


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Update with fiocchis response: they gave me the option to refund or replace the ammo and covering the cost of clearing the squibs. Again very prompt responses from fiocchi and very professional. This ammo incident put a bad taste in my mouth with fiocchi but their customer service has more than redeemed them in my eyes.


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In my experience the fiocchi bullets actually run undersize. It's just their powder charges are so light (fast powder, low case fill) that ignition can be pretty inconsistent, leading to at best poor accuracy, and at worst an undetected squib


Are they going to cover barrel replacement costs if it's bulged/ringed? I know that dramatically reduces the value of most guns since many consider a bulged barrel to be unsafe to shoot.
In the email I asked if they would cover the cost of assessment and removing of the squibs their response was:
“Yes, once I have that ammo back from you can send either a refund to cover the cost of the ammo plus the gunsmith fee, or I can cover the fee and send replacement ammo, whichever works best for you.

I am attaching a FedEx return label along with a hazard logo for that ammo. Please package that ammo and attach both the label and the hazard logo so that FedEx knows you are shipping ammo.

Please send me a copy of the SGAmmo receipt along with the gunsmith receipt once they are able to get that finished up for you.”


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Do we know if this an issue with the more current Fiocchi ammo or has it been an issue all along? I have a purple box that probably is 20 years old. Haven't shot it yet. I just picked up some vintage 1947 French ammo. Maybe I'll shoot this stuff and get rid of the Fiocchi.
I have no idea as your fiocchi ammo is almost as old as I am, but couldn’t hurt to pull them and use for components.


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