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Lanceri Novara 5
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Posted - 02/19/2006 : 08:21:21 AM
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There are two main model of modello 1889 with folding trigger for troops and with fixed trigger and handguard for NCO and Officers. Many hybrid models are born by the mix of parts, by rework, and by Spanish WWI production and so on ...
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My father in low was a Breda 30 machine gunner, during WWII, and his handgun was a 1889 Truppa, when received Beretta 34 he was a little sad to left his '89 sixgun, slow to recharge, heavy and obsolete, but reliable,sturdy and with a realy man stopper bullet.

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two guys of Camice Nere with a '89 truppa's holster
revolver 1889 in officer and NCO version and in Troops model.

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More on Bodeo Revolvers (with pics)

Bill B
Posted - 04/24/2006 : 9:14:54 PM
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Hi guys , I'm here because I can't find any info,"at least in english" on a bodeo truppa I pickedup this weekend. Here we go,lower left front of frame is Glisenti over lion in a shield, over Brescia, over the date 1896 which is over a oval with crown over pb in it. Right rear frame has the number c7777, I think its a c. Right front of frame has a crown over RE over what looks like a K .Assembly number 34 . rear barrel flat has a star then # 28.90, ejector has same # plus the # 34. The gun appears unissued .Did the Italians rebuild these, how many were made and were these issued in WW2 ?? The pistol came in a beautiful green holster that has two buckle type hanging straps on it, which appears ww2 made.Thanks for any help Bill B



gianluca1962
Posted - 04/24/2006 : 11:26:23 PM
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Hi Bill,
for now enjoi this pages in Italian, somebody will be able to give You proper info or web site in English

http://www.exordinanza.net/schede/bodeo.htm
http://www.exordinanza.net/schede/bodeospagnola.htm



Lanceri Novara 5
Posted - 04/25/2006 : 06:19:26 AM
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Goodmorning Sirs,
I agree with Gianluca, main reference book or internet site is in italian. BTW I have "la '89" a nice small book of a famuos italians gun's student Luciano Salvatici. I'll do for Bill a summary of this book, so you can know the long service story of this bulk and reliable revolver. I love it, my father in law have one during duty service in Greece as a Breda 30 machinegunner, said he was sad when turned it with a new issued Beretta Modello 34.
I hope to have some action pics of this gun in my folders, if I find it I'll add to next post.



Lanceri Novara 5
Posted - 04/25/2006 : 1:20:23 PM
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Hallo Bill,
As I promise a little summary of Salvatici's book

The revolver Model 1874 Chamelot-Delvigne, issued by Italian Army in 1874 and chambered for 10,40 mm cartridge was a sturdy, reliable and updated gun, at the time.
Cavalry appreciated it much, infantry less because of weight and dimensions remarkable.
Glisenty Factory and an italian weapon designer, Carlo Bodeo studied a new gun improved.
Glisenti designed a revolver shorter, lighter and with folding trigger to reduce dimension. It was named Modello Glisenti.
Carlo Bodeo obtained some pattern for modification to model 1874 mechanics features. The hammer return in a safe position automatically as a function of the firearms action, a removable sideplate provides access to the trigger group, sideplate is fixed by a little lever on the rear of them, nothing to unscrew. Loading gate is Abadie style: when you open it to load or to remove fired rounds cases, the hammer is locked, trigger pression rotate cylinder chamber by chamber in line to action of ejector rod or to the loading operation.
In 1889 Italian Army issued a new revolver called Modello 1889, that incorporate the main feathures of Glisenti Model and Bodeo’s Patterns.
Modello 1889 was lighter and shorter than 1874, had a folding trigger. Solid frame, six chambers cylinder, suited to 10,40 regular Italian Army cartridge (to consent the use of 1889 and 1874 with same ammo). A removable sideplate is fixed by a lever on left side of gun. The plate fix the left wooden grip, right one is screw fixed. The left side of the frame displays the production date and factory markings. The right side of the frame displays issue markings. Italian army acceptance mark, "Crown over RE" is also stamped on the right side of the frame. The loading gate id a Sportello Abadie. Sturdy, reliable, simple, easy to produce, low cost Modello 1889 was old at the date of born. The updated revolver at the time was the top breack S&W and Webley&Scott compared to M1889, these gun was born young.
Modello 1889 was produced in 3 different variants
Modello 1889 Tipo Truppa o Tipo A (with folding trigger)
Modello 1889 Tipo Ufficiali o Tipo B (fixed trigger and trigger guard)
Modello 1889 Tipo Alleggerito (very late model shorter and lighter)
Many factory produced Modello 1889. At the biginning production was only by Regia Fabbrica d’Armi Brescia, late the FB have also check function on the production of other firm (you can find a crowned FB in a oval as a proof marck performed by Fabbrica Brescia). Guns was also produced by Glisenti, Toschi-Castelli, Mida, Bernardelli, Metallurgica Bresciana Tempini (late).
Because of shortage of handguns, during WWI, the Modello 1889 was also produced in Spain by some firms: Arizmendi y Goenaga, Arrostegui and Errasti. Quality of this revolver is poor .
This revolver remained in service with Italian armed Force for more 60 years. It was used in War of Libia, WWI, colonial war, Invasion of Eritrea and Albania WWII and later.
Also German army used this gun, after the 8 settembre 1943, it was considered a second line guns as many weapons captured here and there in Europe. Is Fremdengerate name was Revolver 680 (i) Italian revolver Model 1889 10.35mm.
Italians nicknamed this gun “coscia d’agnello” “leg of lamb” . Carabinieri issued it the more time that every other italian armed corps.
Excuse my for my poor english



Lanceri Novara 5
Posted - 04/25/2006 : 1:33:55 PM
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Well, I forget pics, sorry

Is there:
1) WWI Alpini officers with '89 holsters and laynards
2) WWI Alpini officer with '89 holster
3) Fascist guy with a '89 holster
4) Soldier with '89 in hand in AOI (Italian east Africa)
5) Exploded view of gun

All my best

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Bill B
Posted - 04/25/2006 : 10:57:26 PM
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Lanceri n5, Thank you ,thank you. What a mountain of information about the Modello 1889. A long service life for a revolver born to late but faithful to the men that used it. Your father in law must have been happy about carrying a lighter pistol if he was with a machine gun squad. What unit did he serve with? Do you know what the K means underneath the crown over RE? The pictures are great, its always a history lesson to see the guns in period pictures .The pics make me think my holster is WW2 issue. Thank you again for time and infomation, Bill B. P. S. It makes one wonder how this pistol never got issued when the Italian Army was always short of weapons??



Lanceri Novara 5
Posted - 04/26/2006 : 3:08:17 PM
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Hallo Bill,
Happy you enjoy text and pics, My father in law was in a Battaglione Camice Nere, a fascist combat unit, he was sad to turns is revolver with the ligther Beretta 34, also if he carried gun with two spare barrels. He said that revolver was more reliable, auto sometimes have malfunction revolver no, I think wartime production of cartridge was low quality. I never have a malfunction in my Beretta 34. I can't help you about K, it's new for me. I'll look around my fellows collectors with '89 if they know something about. About condition of your gun you mast know that many of these guns was refurbished or rebuilt after WWI, main part was turned in use during WWII, but may be some are not issued after refurbish. Many guns was also captured by allied in colony, were was issued to indigenous troops.
Description of your holster sounds like WWII model.
All my best
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Posted - 11/08/2004 : 8:33:21 PM
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I just acquired an 1889 bodeo revolver, the model with the folding trigger, on the left side it is marked MIDA DIA CASTELLI BRESCIA 1918,
on the right side above the grip AD1951 and a circled RP on the frame. Any information would be appreciated. Also I understand Fiocchi manufactures ammunition does anyone have it available?



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Posted - 11/08/2004 : 11:25:50 PM
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MIDA Gia' Castelli Brescia (Manifattura Italiana d'Armi, formerly Castelli, of Brescia).

MIDA was a group manufacturer, founded in 1917, to make Carcan rifles and carbines and Pistols for the Wartime italian Army. It took over the castelli Plant, which pre-war, had made Glisenti and Bodeo system revolvers (Bodeo is the designer, Glisenti was a Steel works which made most of them)
The MIDA ceased military production in 1919.

AD1951 is a typical Italian Military serial number, and RP in circle is the inspector's mark.

The Folding trigger version is the "Modello da Truppa" (private soldier/NCO model) the fixed proper triggerguard model is the Officer's Model.

Fiocchi still make the ammo in their "heritage Collection" ( a lot of BP and early smokeless European Military Ammo) and the cases are Boxer Primed.
Whether you can get any is another question.
 

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More Bodeo Pics

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Posted - 06/01/2006 : 01:26:38 AM
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Nebrhogger, this is the bodeo, in the earlier pic, you asked if I might sell. That same day or two, I got an email from another member, that I thought was you with a diferent email name. Imagine my surprise when this evening after working out the details, I thanked him for replying to my question about the vetterli bolt removal, and he said, "Oh that wasn't me!" Maybe I shouldn't be doing any more than talking to people standing right in front of me!

Anyway, took these pics, Thought I'd share em, so folks like myself can see details of these neat pistols. This one was a battlefield pickup, shortly after it was dropped, the old timer also brought home a luger in it's holster. He was nice enough to have it nickeled before getting it back stateside. It's all matching though and like new. Ok, heres pics,

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More pics of Bodeo revolvers and holsters

alb87
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Posted - 07/16/2007 : 11:46:19 AM
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Here it is;
I hope you enjoy this:

My Bodeo revolvers collection:

This is an earlier Officer's revolver with conventional trigger guard,with an external hammer-block bar on the left side of the frame(that was later substituted by an internal pattern):

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Bodeo revolver destined for NCOs and enlisted men, with folding trigger and internal pattern, made by Società Siderurgica Glisenti, Brescia in 1913:

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This Bodeo revolver is know as "Modern" or "Tempini" made in a new version from 1923 with a short round barrel and a separate firing-pin mounted in the frame. These revolvers were made until 1927:

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The revolvers together:

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Ammo case for six cartridges:

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Another ammo pi from Doug Kerley:

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The holsters:

Green leather holster:

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Brown leather holsters made for the Police, gendarmerie...

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Douglas I. Kerley
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Posted - 07/16/2007 : 12:15:52 PM
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Hi; Is the lanyard with out the black metal snap hook for Bodeo? When did they switch over? Doug



alb87
Posted - 07/16/2007 : 12:51:30 PM
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Really I have never seen a Bodeo's lanyard with the snap hook.
The lanyards with snap hook I saw were all made for the Beretta mod.1915, 1934..and once I saw one made of silk for the Tettoni revolver.



Douglas I. Kerley
Posted - 07/16/2007 : 2:30:56 PM
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Is there an over the shoulder strap for the gray/green Bodeo holster? It just does not look right with the two straps on the metal bar of the bandoleer. Is something missing? Doug



alb87
Posted - 07/17/2007 : 1:44:48 PM
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Really I have never seen the shoulder strap for the gray/green Bodeo holster. I'm sorry.


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Bodeo Parts

Hello, anyone know of any parts sources for the 1889 bodeo?....I need a mainspring and an ejector rod.....? anyone in Italy?....thanks...Karl
 

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Can't help with parts. I lack a screw myself. (We won't talk about if I have a screw loose!)
According to Handguns of the World by Weeks there are over 40 variants of the revolver although the main ones are the 3 described I'd say. Note that some of the shortened round barrel trigger guard variants made in the 1920s had hammer mounted firing pins and others had frame mounted firing pin. I THINK that is the only version with a frame mounted firing pin.
There are at least 2 variants of "firing pin blocks". I'd guess the more common type is mounted inside the frame but I have an 1896 trigger guard version with a hammer block extending outside the frame. (I'd guess this is more easily blocked with mud, etc. and that most later guns went with the inside the frame hammer block but it might have been manufacturer's choice.)
The revolvers were built into the 1930s based on dates I've seen on the internet for sale (honestly, lots of free info out there as far as markings, makers, etc. on the internet!). The 30s dated ones I saw for sale were all the folding trigger variety.
I would guess the Italians may have kept this revolver in service for the same reasons the Swiss kept their 7.5mm revolvers in service for some largely non-combatant troops: cheaper to make than an automatic in those days although the Beretta 34, being blowback, may have been cheaper to make than a locked breech. However, the Italians seem to have issued the revolvers to guys far more likely to be under fire like stretcher bearers, machine gun crew members, etc.
Neat guns. Although some people want (and sometimes even get) a pretty penny for these, they are still some of cheaper military revolvers out there (next to the Russian Nagant bringbacks) if you're patient.
I think trying to get all the makers and variations of this revolver would make for an interesting collection. Having said that, don't believe it would be an easy task!
 
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