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Dutchman
Posted - 05/03/2007 : 02:57:10 AM
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The 1870 cavalry carbine caliber 12,7x44R is in the middle of both photos. The 1885 artillery carbine is on the bottom in the first photo and the top in the second. The 1870 is the one with the saddle ring on the receiver. The 1885 has a cleaning rod. There are interesting differences in the manner of manufacture between the two rolling block carbines but I'll leave that for another day.

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FABIAN23
Posted - 05/03/2007 : 06:00:09 AM
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I have one of those little artillery carbines too, number 1111, shoots a very tight group at 50m. I love it!



sbhva
Posted - 05/03/2007 : 7:59:07 PM
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The cavalry carbine was made by Husqvarna while the artillery carbine appears to have been made at one of the smaller armorers that didn't mark their guns. Simpson Ltd has several of the unmarked RB carbines.
 

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Strange 1870 Cavalry Carbine... or is it?

Dutchman
Posted - 05/03/2007 : 02:27:16 AM
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This rolling block carbine belongs to our friend Jorma van Finland. I don't know that we've ever had a good explanation of just what it is.. because its not an 1870 carbine. The barrel is serial numbered to the receiver, 12338, as are the hammer and breechblock
which leads me to believe that this was an m/1889 infantry rifle modified to appear as a 1870 cavalry carbine. The wood was chopped or changed, the sling swivels added and the rear sight added. A very nice job, too.

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The rear sight looks very much like a regular m/94 Swedish Mauser rear sight.

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parkerswede
Posted - 05/03/2007 : 12:09:54 PM
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I used to know the story on this one. If I remember correctly, a 100 or so of these were issued to the King's cavalry before the m/94 carbines came out (the carbines were intended to be issued to them, but they weren't ready yet). They had some carbine parts ready (nosecaps, early rear sight, etc.) that they used. There used to be a guy outside Stockholm named Roger Olsson who knew about these. If he is still alive and kicking, Anders J. can get in touch with Anders Hammarwall and maybe ask Roger. Pretty rare piece to be sure.



Anders
Posted - 05/03/2007 : 1:42:40 PM
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E-mail with question on the way....will get back when I have the full answer.

But I think Dana remembers it correctly.

//Anders



parkerswede
Posted - 05/03/2007 : 9:58:17 PM
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See page 47, Crown Jewels at top of page, second carbine from top.

"a rare variant of the m/1870 rolling block carbine with barrel band and keeper. Barrel length: 420 mm (16.5"). Note the sling buckle and slot in the side of the stock: A total of 1,200 rolling block carbines were converted after the adoption of the m/94 to the same side-mounted sling attachment system." Roger Olsson collection

I will see if I have other pics.



rudybolla
Posted - 05/04/2007 : 7:17:24 PM
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See my post from today about a similar oddball M70 in 10.15 Jarmann. Will the variations never end???
 
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