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Hello, who makes the best 1851 Navy repro's ? Thanks, Craig
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Uberti
Uberti in my opinion, but only slightly over Pietta . But Pietta has better case hardened colors but worse trigger pulls . Uberti is caliber correct too , and allot of Piettas are not in the Navy which never came in .44 caliber . But who cares .
Here is the Uberti London Navy , and some Pietta Navy , you decide , etither are very nice , for price its a toss up , Pietta cheaper, Uberti more expensive but finer tuned ????
Pietta , This is thier NICE model
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Uberti , London Navy , very smooth gun
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Who makes the best ? Neither , they are both equal when you figure in price . Both are very nice , buy both .
Guttbucket
Uberti in my opinion, but only slightly over Pietta . But Pietta has better case hardened colors but worse trigger pulls . Uberti is caliber correct too , and allot of Piettas are not in the Navy which never came in .44 caliber . But who cares .
Here is the Uberti London Navy , and some Pietta Navy , you decide , etither are very nice , for price its a toss up , Pietta cheaper, Uberti more expensive but finer tuned ????
Pietta , This is thier NICE model
Pietta ,
Uberti , London Navy , very smooth gun
Who makes the best ? Neither , they are both equal when you figure in price . Both are very nice , buy both .
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I don't know about reproductions, but I think Colt made them again 1971. The one here is a Ulysses S. Grant Commemorative. I think the prices on these are pretty reasonable. I don't know if it was a continued run, or just that one commemorative. Pretty nice piece, and it's a genuine Colt.
Just a thought.
Just a thought.
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If a repro is what you want , gutbucket is dead-on . IMO .
However , I still say you will be happier with a '58 .44 remmy.
However , I still say you will be happier with a '58 .44 remmy.
Love that old Cheville.
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Ummm ?
Ummm , I guess if he actually asked for 1858 Remington opinions he'd have gotten some here now LOL !!!!
Ummm , but he did not. Obviously an 1851 fan he is .
Remingtons aint better they are just different is all . A Colt is a Colt design , and a Remington is a Remington design, there is NO compairison whatsoever . The Remington is stronger , hands down , but better ? I don't think so . If someone is looking for a COlt design they sure aint gonna find it in a Remington now will they ? And Visa-versa .
They both are fine designs , very fine designs actually . The Remington I guarentee will bind up way before the Colt ever will , if ever . That you can take to your design table if you want if you want to compaire good and bad with designs ?
I owne many many many of each design , they are both great designs with NO compairisons whatsoever except they shoot boolits and blow smoke, thats it .
Later, Guttbucket
Ummm , I guess if he actually asked for 1858 Remington opinions he'd have gotten some here now
LOL !!!! Ummm , but he did not. Obviously an 1851 fan he is .
Remingtons aint better they are just different is all . A Colt is a Colt design , and a Remington is a Remington design, there is NO compairison whatsoever . The Remington is stronger , hands down , but better ? I don't think so . If someone is looking for a COlt design they sure aint gonna find it in a Remington now will they
? And Visa-versa .They both are fine designs , very fine designs actually . The Remington I guarentee will bind up way before the Colt ever will , if ever . That you can take to your design table if you want if you want to compaire good and bad with designs ?
I owne many many many of each design , they are both great designs with NO compairisons whatsoever except they shoot boolits and blow smoke, thats it .
Later, Guttbucket
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Agreed .
However , gutbucket , Picking a piatol is like picking a chevy truck or a ford truck , It is the buyers choice in design , even though both have 4 wheels & an engine .
Personally , I have Huge hands & the remmy suits me better than ANY weapon ever made . That , coupled with performance & design works best for me Personally . However like you swaid , this thread is about the navy & I should not have mentioned the remmy . On the navy , we agree , go with the uber .
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Thanks. Perhaps some day it will look like it does in the bottom picture of the album. It was only a few months old at the time.
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BBQ
Hey BBQ , aint no thing man , I wasn't trying to rag on anyone , just thought it funny how this age old debate always goes with the Remingtons and Colts , and of course our opinions around here when someone is looking for a COLT .
Don't get me wrong I love the Remington way allot and they fit me better too I am huge too , but the feel of the COLT, nothing better in my opinion . And the Colts 1851 sure points mighty fine too . I think the only Colt that points better is the 1861 Navy ?
I think in general that people either love the Remngton or Colt or hate the Remington or COLT . Not too many people love both like me . It's like the Ford or Chevy thing you pointed out .I like both of those too !!!!
Later, Guttbucket
Hey BBQ , aint no thing man , I wasn't trying to rag on anyone , just thought it funny how this age old debate always goes with the Remingtons and Colts , and of course our opinions around here when someone is looking for a COLT .
Don't get me wrong I love the Remington way allot and they fit me better too I am huge too , but the feel of the COLT, nothing better in my opinion . And the Colts 1851 sure points mighty fine too . I think the only Colt that points better is the 1861 Navy ?
I think in general that people either love the Remngton or Colt or hate the Remington or COLT . Not too many people love both like me . It's like the Ford or Chevy thing you pointed out .I like both of those too !!!!
Later, Guttbucket
Just avoid Brass frames, I've had two that broke with mild loads.
Both failed where the cylinder pin screws into the recoil shield.
One just pulled through the other broke away the metal on the side where the cut for the hand is.
A couple of friends have owned Brass framed colt copies that held up very well. Its a matter of workmanship as well as the alloy used.
The pistol who's frame broke out (a .36) had the milling for clearance of the internal parts cut way too deep. There wasn't enough metal there to cover the end of the cylinder pin shank, threads were showing.
The other (a .44) was pulled through when I got it, the owner gave it to me to use for spare parts.
The threads of the cylinder pin were rounded and poorly cut, probably why it failed.
I rethreaded the frame to take a larger dia shank and turned a shoulder on the pin and matching shoulder inside the base of the cylinder, this takes almost all the stress of firing off the frame.
I also silver soldered the join by tinning the shank and the threads of the recoil shield and screwing it in while hot, I heated the frame and added more silver solder through the pin hole at the top.
This revolver still works just fine with full loads, I don't shoot it much though.
My Steel Framed 1851 copy is highly accurate and handles better than any revolver I've owned.
I use the cylinder salvaged from the broken brass framed pistol as a spare.
The cylinder that came with the steel framed gun had oversized chambers and didn't work well with standard .375 ball unless I bumped them up first.
The cylinder from the brass framed gun has tight chambers and works better with the .375 ball.
I keep no.11 nipples on one cylinder for pyrodex, and no.10 nipples on the other for BP.
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My older brother has a dug up 1851 in suprizingly good condition. There was a major calvary engagement near here and the soil in some places has preserved relics fairly well.
Both failed where the cylinder pin screws into the recoil shield.
One just pulled through the other broke away the metal on the side where the cut for the hand is.
A couple of friends have owned Brass framed colt copies that held up very well. Its a matter of workmanship as well as the alloy used.
The pistol who's frame broke out (a .36) had the milling for clearance of the internal parts cut way too deep. There wasn't enough metal there to cover the end of the cylinder pin shank, threads were showing.
The other (a .44) was pulled through when I got it, the owner gave it to me to use for spare parts.
The threads of the cylinder pin were rounded and poorly cut, probably why it failed.
I rethreaded the frame to take a larger dia shank and turned a shoulder on the pin and matching shoulder inside the base of the cylinder, this takes almost all the stress of firing off the frame.
I also silver soldered the join by tinning the shank and the threads of the recoil shield and screwing it in while hot, I heated the frame and added more silver solder through the pin hole at the top.
This revolver still works just fine with full loads, I don't shoot it much though.
My Steel Framed 1851 copy is highly accurate and handles better than any revolver I've owned.
I use the cylinder salvaged from the broken brass framed pistol as a spare.
The cylinder that came with the steel framed gun had oversized chambers and didn't work well with standard .375 ball unless I bumped them up first.
The cylinder from the brass framed gun has tight chambers and works better with the .375 ball.
I keep no.11 nipples on one cylinder for pyrodex, and no.10 nipples on the other for BP.
PS
My older brother has a dug up 1851 in suprizingly good condition. There was a major calvary engagement near here and the soil in some places has preserved relics fairly well.
I have a EMF Hartford 51 navy. I believe that they are made by Pietta. The fit and finish is absolutely beautiful. Like was said earlier, get a steel frame. I bought it new directly from EMF over the internet for less than $200 last year. I could not be happier with it.
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Personally I would go for the Pietta for the simple reason that a trigger is not hard to work but Case colors are. My 2 cents worth.
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Take Care, John
Craig, That was a nice tribute to Sam. Its always good to remember old friends.Well, I took a good friends advice and got me a Uberti 1858 Remington NMA......... and I love it. Like it better than my '61 Navy and Iam a die hard Colt man (or I was). Thanks Sam your right, I like the '58 Remingons alot
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Italian-Colt 1851 Navy
Colt didn't produce these guns in 1971 or later. They were manufactured by Uberti and Stamped Colt here in the US. The issue of Italian Proof marks on the frames, barrels, and cylinders ultimately lead to their being discontinued. Colt wanted them removed or hidden, and Italian Proof laws are very specific where these marks must be placed. The last run for Colt was brought in as unfinished or proofed pieces.
A lot of Colt's Firearms marked parts showed up on Colt replicas after Uburti dumped them on the Italian parts market.
Colt did begin reissuing the Colt/ Italian replicas exactly where the serial numbers quit back in the day.
Regardless they are interesting and well made revolvers.
Colt didn't produce these guns in 1971 or later. They were manufactured by Uberti and Stamped Colt here in the US. The issue of Italian Proof marks on the frames, barrels, and cylinders ultimately lead to their being discontinued. Colt wanted them removed or hidden, and Italian Proof laws are very specific where these marks must be placed. The last run for Colt was brought in as unfinished or proofed pieces.
A lot of Colt's Firearms marked parts showed up on Colt replicas after Uburti dumped them on the Italian parts market.
Colt did begin reissuing the Colt/ Italian replicas exactly where the serial numbers quit back in the day.
Regardless they are interesting and well made revolvers.
I own one of those 51 Colts, I bought it new in 1976. If I remember right it is their "C" series. It is a beautifully made pistol, the fit and finish, blueing and case colors are top notch Colt and there are no Italian proof marks any where on this gun, I looked everywhere inside and out!
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