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Well I grabbed this last weekend. It is a early Spreewerk no letter P38. I'm told it is a bringback and the paper below is from who I got it from and is between him and the previous owner. Both are known avid collectors. Still we will just say the P38 is a non import marked, all matching one. The up strap/brown belt loop holster it came with is also more uncommon and rare. I'm pretty happy with it. Seller is a friend of mine and I walked away with the whole rig for $800. Well onto the pics

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Thanks Spax

The only other P38s known to have the eage/18 marking are serial number 2514, 2596, 2630, 2894, and 2853.
I'm seeing Eagle 88?
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Here is a 6 page thread on it. I had Dave, a moderator on that boards warn me that I might have members asking me to sell it. I had the first PM me within 20 minutes and have since had 2 more. LOL Mosins are hard to leave alone but man do I like the German stuff!
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From what I recall reading in "Pistole P.38 a její výroba ve firmě SPREEWERK" By Jan Balcar, Speerwerk did not make all the parts for their P38's and instead received them from other facilities as needed. So having minor part of from WaA18 facility would not be anything unusual or "rare" for Speerwerk P38s.

The book has been translated into English too, but it's quite pricey as result. I suggest you look into purchasing one if you want the most detailed research on Speerwerks to date. :)
Thanks! The thread over there was made by a moderator doing research. Is there any way you could register over there so you could share your knowledge and opinion on how the marking isn't unusual or "rare"? How many examples of it have you come across? Just curious. :thumbsup:

I will throw up a few quotes from one page

In connection with other research I am doing, I have spent a bit of time re-reading Albert Speer's old book, Infiltration, How Heinrich Himmler Schemed to build an SS Industrial Empire. According to Speer, Himmler's minions were steadily finding ways to make themselves invaluable to armaments production (beginning in the Spring of 1942). Basically Germany's leadership came to the conclusion that forced laborers were going to be needed to make weapons for Germany. Below is an example of how the Gustlof Work was employed on another documented program for carbine production. It is not too far of a stretch to suggest that perhaps Gustlof technicians and equipment may have been utilized at the Spreewerk too.
“Two “tests” were to be made in the manufacture of carbines: in Buchenwald and in Neunengamme. Schieber* had announced that monthly production of 15,000 carbines should be launched at Buchenwald within three, or at most, four months. This was not an exaggerated goal, just a simple test case; the production” (as in assembly) “of carbines requires little manufacturing expertise. In any case, the machines and expertise were to be supplied by the Gustlof Works.”
Page 18, “Infiltration, How Heinrich Himmler Schemed to build an SS Industrial Empire” Albert Speer,
* Schieber was on Albert Speer's staff, but was also secretly an SS officer on Himmler's staff.
As previously noted, the Gustlof Works waffenamt inspector was assigned Wa18.
The above information is my opinion. Before this idea takes on the mantle of an historically accurate observation, we need to find at least two more examples of locking blocks with waffenamt 18 on them. I think this information and way of looking at the possible involvement of arms producers other than Walther early in Spreewerk production has legs, but needs much more input from other owners of these early P.38's. Please feel free to pester any and all owners of these early guns to check the locking blocks for this unusual stamp.
My gracious thanks to Mark, Steve, Ron and my fellow P.38 collectors out there. Without freely sharing information, I'd be "just another Bozo ridin' the bus to Crazy Town!"
I'm having more fun than I dreamed possible with this hobby. There is indeed always one more P.38 to buy, and one more mystery to discover! Good hunting to you all!
Dave asked me to check serial number 2514 and I have one too, so I think this new inspection stamp may be confirmed ... It is not a broken die!
It appears to be in a specific serial number range.
Wow! So Dave's discovery now has 3 examples; 2514, 2596, and 2630
I'm beginning to believe!
Hopefully, more members have examples in or near this range and will report a "yes" or "no" to further define it.
I wonder what else hasn't been noticed for 72 years?
Great going guys!!
Thus far only 5 have been found to exist until mine.
Perhaps German collectors get all exited when they see an original gun made with outsourced parts and call that a "rare" gun. But I don't see it as it's already documented to happen at Speerwerk for the small parts that went into making the gun.
So anything documented cannot be rare?
Gun itself it not rare beyond the production lot it was made under and using the parts allocated for the Speerwerk plant at the time. If you really want to feel all warm and fuzzy you can call it a "rare" locking block because it's WaA'ed as outsourced part rather than not being marked....It's about as "rare" as B barrel M39 that happens to have light plum color barrel instead of dark plum one. :)
You like to dodge questions and answers to them. But I'm going off what seasoned P38 collectors are telling me.
But if it belonged to pgaplayerless it would then be extremely rare. His books are infallible. ;)
where is the "like" button? :laugh:
Pgaplayerless I linked you to a 6 page thread on P38forums on the topic at hand. If you are asking for newer factual research why haven't you started reading and posting over there? I'm sure they would love for you to share your knowledge on the E/18 topic. ;)
The thread limited to those with login. Internet chatter is definitely not "newer factual research". Speerwerk is in Czech Republic and all the historical records are in Czech archives. How many of those forum posters are located in Czech Republic and/or read Czech? Do any of them? (yes I do)
So like I said, please share your knowledge with them and tell them what they believe is, in fact wrong.
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